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From: "Dan Lüdtke" <mail@danrl.com>
To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>
Cc: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mips@linux-mips.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	WireGuard mailing list <wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com>
Subject: Re: Misalignment, MIPS, and ip_hdr(skb)->version
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 23:18:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CE942916-BF45-44CC-A5F5-3838CF9C93BC@danrl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vauvhwdu.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net>


> On 8 Dec 2016, at 05:34, Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> wrote:
> 
> On Wed 2016-12-07 19:30:34 -0500, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote:
>> Your custom protocol should be designed in a way you get an aligned ip
>> header. Most protocols of the IETF follow this mantra and it is always
>> possible to e.g. pad options so you end up on aligned boundaries for the
>> next header.
> 
> fwiw, i'm not convinced that "most protocols of the IETF follow this
> mantra".  we've had multiple discussions in different protocol groups
> about shaving or bloating by a few bytes here or there in different
> protocols, and i don't think anyone has brought up memory alignment as
> an argument in any of the discussions i've followed.
> 

If the trade-off is between 1 padding byte and 2 byte alignment versus 3 padding bytes and 4 byte alignment I would definitely opt for 3 padding bytes. I know how that waste feels like to a protocol designer, but I think it is worth it. Maybe the padding/reserved will be useful some day for an additional feature.

I remember alignment being discussed and taken very seriously in 6man a couple of times. Often, though, protocol designers did align without much discussion. Implementing unaligned protocols is a pain I've experienced first hand.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-12-10 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-07 18:35 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-07 18:47 ` Dave Taht
2016-12-07 18:51   ` David Miller
2016-12-07 18:54     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-07 19:52       ` David Miller
2016-12-08  0:29         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-08  0:37           ` David Miller
2016-12-08 22:20             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-08 23:14               ` David Miller
2016-12-11  8:07               ` Willy Tarreau
2016-12-11 10:47                 ` Måns Rullgård
2016-12-10 12:25       ` Felix Fietkau
2016-12-10 13:25         ` Måns Rullgård
2016-12-10 20:09           ` Felix Fietkau
2016-12-10 20:32             ` Måns Rullgård
2016-12-10 20:36               ` Felix Fietkau
2016-12-12 16:19           ` David Laight
2016-12-12 16:31             ` Måns Rullgård
2016-12-08  0:30 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-08  4:34   ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2016-12-09 11:26     ` Jiri Benc
2016-12-10 22:18     ` Dan Lüdtke [this message]
2016-12-11  7:15       ` Greg KH
2016-12-11 14:50         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-11 15:30           ` Andrew Lunn
2016-12-11 15:37             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-11 16:44           ` Willy Tarreau

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