From: Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
Pascal Schmidt <der.eremit@email.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]]
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:56:23 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10310070146530.2266-100000@master.linux-ide.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1065516037.22491.267.camel@hades.cambridge.redhat.com>
We can make up the Monica Public License too, but because it is GPL, your
added restrictions of whatever are NULL and VOID. So Creosote Public
License, is an effective restriction that is not allowed in GPL.
All your copyright under GPL grants you copyright, all other terms are in
the license and adding anything to it is not allowed.
Adding your views in how it should be view is your opinion nothing more.
It has no legal bases and is only random noise to promote a wider grey
line and more confusion.
There is no standing legal decision in a court of law you can point to to
use as a referrence for case law or brief/opinion from the position,
officer of the court.
So lets add the Rent License, you pay rent to use the GPL code I have
published. Anybody who has ever stored any data on an IDE/ATA/SATA device
or ATAPI attached to HOST connected to SFF cable headers of 40 pin or SFF
cable PHY headers, must pay me 0.001 cents per byte transfered regardless
of direction of success.
This on top of GPL is a usage restriction.
Have a cold shower dude, Creosote reminds me of Slick Willy.
Cheers,
Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting Group
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:38 -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > The thing that is trying to cross the boundary is the kernel license
> > so what matters is if the thing which you believe should be GPLed is
> > separable or not.
>
> Forget boundaries, Larry. Consider the case of the Creosote Public
> Licence to which I referred before. That one required you to bathe daily
> in creosote and release _all_ your future work under the same licence;
> separate works or not.
>
> If you don't comply with the licence, you may not use the original work.
> It's that simple -- whatever the requirements of the licence are, you
> obey them or you don't have a licence.
>
> In the case of the CPL, it isn't a crime for you to publish your own
> non-derived work under another licence, or one day to decide not to
> bathe in creosote -- but it does place you in violation of the Creosote
> Public Licence and hence mean that continued use of the _original_ work
> is a violation of its copyright; and therefore a criminal offence.
>
> This is not about whether a licence _can_ demand this. We know it can --
> it can demand the ritual sacrifice of your first-born, and all that
> means is that if you don't agree, you don't get to use the software in
> question¹.
>
> This is about whether the GPL _does_ demand this. I believe that it
> does, and that the user-space exception and the existence of the LGPL
> make that fact entirely clear.
>
> --
> dwmw2
>
> ¹ Admittedly, incitement to murder is an offence in most countries
> but you get the point, and you still wouldn't be permitted to
> use the software if you didn't do it :)
>
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <Dnwo.1ew.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DnPL.3XB.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DsvX.3yN.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:28 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 18:38 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06 21:29 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-10-07 0:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07 8:40 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-07 8:56 ` Andre Hedrick [this message]
2003-10-07 10:13 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 10:33 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:44 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 11:25 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 14:03 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 19:09 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07 8:58 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07 14:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07 14:48 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-07 8:28 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-07 10:03 Pascal Schmidt
[not found] <DIre.Cy.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.17@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.19@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIAQ.2Hh.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:56 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 19:09 ` David Lang
2003-10-06 20:08 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-07 10:49 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-10 12:14 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-10 12:48 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 12:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 13:07 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-06 22:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06 23:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-07 0:20 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-07 2:31 ` Andre Hedrick
[not found] <fa.grj6i7d.lmorqn@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.n320lec.1p4i0gc@ifi.uio.no>
2003-10-05 16:44 ` walt
[not found] <vyRY.6te.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <vzkY.7cC.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-14 9:16 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-14 17:09 ` Stan Bubrouski
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-14 4:37 People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 4:58 ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 5:39 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 5:32 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 6:41 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 6:50 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 7:10 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 8:08 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15 0:17 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15 5:57 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15 6:14 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-05 0:52 ` Rob Landley
2003-10-05 1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 2:34 ` viro
2003-10-05 3:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 10:24 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 13:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 14:14 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 11:32 ` David Lang
2003-10-05 13:37 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 6:40 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 7:39 ` viro
2003-10-05 18:27 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 19:21 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:03 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:14 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:34 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:43 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06 1:22 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06 1:37 ` David Lang
2003-10-06 1:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 19:32 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-05 19:47 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:38 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 19:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-14 8:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-15 0:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15 0:27 ` Justin Cormack
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