From: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk
To: Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>
Cc: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>,
"Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hps@intermeta.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]]
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:39:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031005073917.GK7665@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10310042320170.21746-100000@master.linux-ide.org>
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:40:22PM -0700, Andre Hedrick wrote:
>
> Tell me I can not publish a GPL w/ source code project which returns the
> original API's to their normal place in history, and I will show you that
> I can still draw the string on a bow.
_What_ original API? I agree that silent adding _GPL to existing symbol
is obnoxious and warrants a patch that would revert the change.
However, if tomorrow the exported function disappears completely - tough
luck. Nobody had ever promised to keep this "API" unchanged. It's not
that it had been changed just for kicks (after all, you get to do changes
in a bunch of in-tree drivers are such change), but such changes had happened
and will happen. And there's nothing you can do about that.
And folks, let's be honest. Sturgeon was an optimist. Way more than 90%
of code is crap. The only way around that is to have a bunch of creatively
sadistic bastards go through said code and rip the authors a new one for
every hole they find (and yes, that includes ripping new ones to each other).
Judging by the vendor drivers that doesn't happen. I don't care why that
doesn't happen - be it "they'll buy it anyway" or "we have no resources"
or "it's rude to the people who had done the original work" or "what do
you mean, review?". Whatever. Unless I have very good reasons to believe
that particular piece of code had been done right, crap it is. Plain and
simple statistics.
Code from unknown programmers presumably written to unknown specifications
that had presumably passed unknown QA by unknown reviewers and testers with
unknown results and then had been shipped with unknown amount of pressure
exerted by sales? Geez... What a wonderful reason to assume that it would
be better than average...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-10-05 7:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <uess.1w0.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <ujV3.1uP.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-10 21:52 ` People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-10 22:26 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-10 22:34 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-11 1:35 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-11 13:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-11 18:39 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-11 18:45 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-13 17:52 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 23:54 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-13 17:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 10:55 ` Sean Estabrooks
2003-09-11 14:36 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-13 17:42 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-12 20:58 ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-12 21:47 ` Matt D. Robinson
2003-09-12 22:31 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-12 23:26 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-13 0:29 ` Matt D. Robinson
2003-09-13 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-13 5:38 ` jw schultz
2003-09-13 17:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-13 18:19 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 20:01 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 23:17 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 1:57 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 2:40 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 3:42 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 3:36 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 4:37 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 4:58 ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 5:39 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 5:32 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 6:41 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 6:50 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 7:10 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 8:08 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15 0:17 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15 5:57 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15 6:14 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-05 0:52 ` Rob Landley
2003-10-05 1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 2:34 ` viro
2003-10-05 3:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 10:24 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 13:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 14:14 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 11:32 ` David Lang
2003-10-05 13:37 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 6:40 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 7:39 ` viro [this message]
2003-10-05 18:27 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 19:21 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:03 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:14 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:34 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:43 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06 1:22 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06 1:37 ` David Lang
2003-10-06 1:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 19:32 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-05 19:47 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:38 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 19:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-14 8:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-15 0:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15 0:27 ` Justin Cormack
2003-09-14 21:40 ` People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] David Schwartz
2003-09-15 8:06 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-14 2:51 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 3:05 ` GPL == DMCA [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Andre Hedrick
2003-10-29 22:42 ` People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] David Schwartz
2003-10-29 23:11 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-30 0:10 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-11 1:39 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-13 17:11 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 21:11 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-13 21:19 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-13 21:12 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 22:09 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-13 22:30 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-14 1:16 ` Andrew Pimlott
2003-09-15 15:26 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-13 23:00 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-12 21:04 ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-12 21:17 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-15 18:24 ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-15 20:17 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-13 18:09 ` Andre Hedrick
[not found] <vyRY.6te.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <vzkY.7cC.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-14 9:16 ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-14 17:09 ` Stan Bubrouski
[not found] <fa.grj6i7d.lmorqn@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.n320lec.1p4i0gc@ifi.uio.no>
2003-10-05 16:44 ` walt
[not found] <Dnwo.1ew.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DnPL.3XB.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DsvX.3yN.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:28 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 18:38 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06 21:29 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-10-07 0:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07 8:40 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-07 8:56 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:13 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 10:33 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:44 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 11:25 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 14:03 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 19:09 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07 8:58 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07 14:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07 14:48 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-07 8:28 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] <DIre.Cy.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.17@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.19@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIAQ.2Hh.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:56 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 19:09 ` David Lang
2003-10-06 20:08 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-07 10:49 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-10 12:14 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-10 12:48 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 12:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 13:07 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-06 22:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06 23:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-07 0:20 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-07 2:31 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:03 Pascal Schmidt
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