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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, rml@tech9.net,
	Alasdair G Kergon <agk@redhat.com>, Milan Broz <mbroz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Active waiting with yield()
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:18:17 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0811200414100.17455@hs20-bc2-1.build.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081118212652.46d36da5@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>



On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Alan Cox wrote:

> > This makes a code branch that is very rarely tested and a potential bug. 
> > Every such rarely executed branch is a danger and even a silly typo in the 
> > code can hide there for many years without being noticed.
> 
> Learn to use a debugger. You want an unusual timing to occur you
> breakpoint the relevant task and suspend it for a bit.
> 
> > So, I say msleep(1) instead of yield(). What are the counterarguments to 
> > msleep?
> 
> msleep isn't particularly a problem. You are giving up the CPU and not
> wasting so much power and you won't deadlock in realtime. Assuming you
> only expect one or two msleep cycles its fine.

So msleep(1) should be OK. I can't think of a case when it could break.

> And if you think virtualisation and power management and correctness
> (as Ingo noted) are a "bad reason" you need to wake up to the real world.

If the involved cases are:
- a race condition that never happened to a user, only seen during 
artifical testing
- a race condition that existed for 5 years and just one user hit it

--- then yes, considering power management is a bad reason.

Mikulas

> Alan
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-20  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-14 18:59 Mikulas Patocka
2008-11-14 19:06 ` Alan Cox
2008-11-14 19:34   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-11-14 20:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-14 21:41       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-11-15 22:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-17 17:39           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-11-17 18:01             ` Alan Cox
2008-11-18 14:34               ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-11-18 14:40                 ` Alan Cox
2008-11-18 17:11                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-11-18 21:26                     ` Alan Cox
2008-11-20  9:18                       ` Mikulas Patocka [this message]
2008-11-19 16:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-18 14:49                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-11-18 17:14                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-11-14 21:21     ` Alan Cox

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