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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huawei.com>,
	parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk,
	luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, urezki@gmail.com,
	quic_neeraju@quicinc.com, frederic@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] tools/memory-model: Make ppo a subrelation of po
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 22:30:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y/rSQ2FNTJyj2bqR@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y/rNUfW509AQYCYn@boqun-archlinux>

On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 07:09:05PM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 09:29:51PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 05:01:10PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > A few other oddities:
> > > 
> > > litmus/auto/C-LB-Lww+R-OC.litmus
> > > 
> > > 	Both versions flag a data race, which I am not seeing.	It appears
> > > 	to me that P1's store to u0 cannot happen unless P0's store
> > > 	has completed.  So what am I missing here?
> > 
> > The LKMM doesn't believe that a control or data dependency orders a 
> > plain write after a marked read.  Hence in this test it thinks that P1's 
> > store to u0 can happen before the load of x1.  I don't remember why we 
> > did it this way -- probably we just wanted to minimize the restrictions 
> > on when plain accesses can execute.  (I do remember the reason for 
> > making address dependencies induce order; it was so RCU would work.)
> > 
> 
> Because plain store can be optimzed as an "store only if not equal"?
> As the following sentenses in the explanations.txt:
> 
> 	The need to distinguish between r- and w-bounding raises yet another
> 	issue.  When the source code contains a plain store, the compiler is
> 	allowed to put plain loads of the same location into the object code.
> 	For example, given the source code:
> 
> 		x = 1;
> 
> 	the compiler is theoretically allowed to generate object code that
> 	looks like:
> 
> 		if (x != 1)
> 			x = 1;
> 
> 	thereby adding a load (and possibly replacing the store entirely).
> 	For this reason, whenever the LKMM requires a plain store to be
> 	w-pre-bounded or w-post-bounded by a marked access, it also requires
> 	the store to be r-pre-bounded or r-post-bounded, so as to handle cases
> 	where the compiler adds a load.

Good guess; maybe that was the reason.  Ironically, in this case the 
store _is_ r-pre-bounded, because there's an smp_rmb() in the litmus 
test just before it.  So perhaps the original reason is not valid now 
that the memory model explicitly includes tests for stores being 
r-pre/post-bounded.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-26  3:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-24 13:52 Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-24 15:32 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-24 18:37   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26  1:01     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26  2:29       ` Alan Stern
2023-02-26  3:03         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 18:49           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26  3:09         ` Boqun Feng
2023-02-26  3:30           ` Alan Stern [this message]
2023-02-26 11:17             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-26 16:51               ` Alan Stern
2023-02-26 18:45                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 19:32                   ` Alan Stern
2023-02-27 14:03                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 16:16                   ` Alan Stern
2023-02-27 16:50                     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 18:41                       ` Alan Stern
2023-02-27 19:40         ` Andrea Parri
2023-02-27 20:13           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 22:21             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-28  8:49               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-28 15:40                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-01 10:52                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-03-02  1:42                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26  2:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 16:23 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 14:39   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 17:57     ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 20:24       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 19:35 ` Andrea Parri
2023-02-28 22:01   ` Paul E. McKenney

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