From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huawei.com>,
parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk,
luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com,
joel@joelfernandes.org, urezki@gmail.com,
quic_neeraju@quicinc.com, frederic@kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] tools/memory-model: Make ppo a subrelation of po
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 22:30:11 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y/rSQ2FNTJyj2bqR@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y/rNUfW509AQYCYn@boqun-archlinux>
On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 07:09:05PM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 09:29:51PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 05:01:10PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > A few other oddities:
> > >
> > > litmus/auto/C-LB-Lww+R-OC.litmus
> > >
> > > Both versions flag a data race, which I am not seeing. It appears
> > > to me that P1's store to u0 cannot happen unless P0's store
> > > has completed. So what am I missing here?
> >
> > The LKMM doesn't believe that a control or data dependency orders a
> > plain write after a marked read. Hence in this test it thinks that P1's
> > store to u0 can happen before the load of x1. I don't remember why we
> > did it this way -- probably we just wanted to minimize the restrictions
> > on when plain accesses can execute. (I do remember the reason for
> > making address dependencies induce order; it was so RCU would work.)
> >
>
> Because plain store can be optimzed as an "store only if not equal"?
> As the following sentenses in the explanations.txt:
>
> The need to distinguish between r- and w-bounding raises yet another
> issue. When the source code contains a plain store, the compiler is
> allowed to put plain loads of the same location into the object code.
> For example, given the source code:
>
> x = 1;
>
> the compiler is theoretically allowed to generate object code that
> looks like:
>
> if (x != 1)
> x = 1;
>
> thereby adding a load (and possibly replacing the store entirely).
> For this reason, whenever the LKMM requires a plain store to be
> w-pre-bounded or w-post-bounded by a marked access, it also requires
> the store to be r-pre-bounded or r-post-bounded, so as to handle cases
> where the compiler adds a load.
Good guess; maybe that was the reason. Ironically, in this case the
store _is_ r-pre-bounded, because there's an smp_rmb() in the litmus
test just before it. So perhaps the original reason is not valid now
that the memory model explicitly includes tests for stores being
r-pre/post-bounded.
Alan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-02-26 3:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-24 13:52 Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-24 15:32 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-24 18:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 1:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 2:29 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-26 3:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 18:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 3:09 ` Boqun Feng
2023-02-26 3:30 ` Alan Stern [this message]
2023-02-26 11:17 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-26 16:51 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-26 18:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 19:32 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-27 14:03 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 16:16 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-27 16:50 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 18:41 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-27 19:40 ` Andrea Parri
2023-02-27 20:13 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 22:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-28 8:49 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-28 15:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-01 10:52 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-03-02 1:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 2:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-26 16:23 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 14:39 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 17:57 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 20:24 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-02-27 19:35 ` Andrea Parri
2023-02-28 22:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
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