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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Take the mmap lock when walking the VMA list
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:35:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YfgPwPvopO1aqcVC@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877dafq3bw.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org>

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:26:11AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> writes:
> 
> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:03:31AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >> "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org> writes:
> >> 
> >> > I'm not sure if the VMA list can change under us, but dump_vma_snapshot()
> >> > is very careful to take the mmap_lock in write mode.  We only need to
> >> > take it in read mode here as we do not care if the size of the stack
> >> > VMA changes underneath us.
> >> >
> >> > If it can be changed underneath us, this is a potential use-after-free
> >> > for a multithreaded process which is dumping core.
> >> 
> >> The problem is not multi-threaded process so much as processes that
> >> share their mm.
> >
> > I don't understand the difference.  I appreciate that another process can
> > get read access to an mm through, eg, /proc, but how can another process
> > (that isn't a thread of this process) modify the VMAs?
> 
> There are a couple of ways.
> 
> A classic way is a multi-threads process can call vfork, and the
> mm_struct is shared with the child until exec is called.

While true, I thought the semantics of vfork() were that the parent
was suspended.  Given that, it can't core dump until the child execs
... right?

> A process can do this more deliberately by forking a child using
> clone(CLONE_VM) and not including CLONE_THREAD.   Supporting this case
> is a hold over from before CLONE_THREAD was supported in the kernel and
> such processes were used to simulate threads.

That is a multithreaded process then!  Maybe not in the strict POSIX
compliance sense, but the intent is to be a multithreaded process.
ie multiple threads of execution, sharing an address space.

> It also happens that there are subsystems in the kernel that do things
> like kthread_use_mm that can also be modifying the mm during a coredump.

Yikes.  That's terrifying.  It's really legitimate for a kthread to
attach to a process and start tearing down VMAs?

> > Uhh .. that seems like it needs a lot more understanding of binfmt_elf
> > than I currently possess.  I'd rather spend my time working on folios
> > than learning much more about binfmt_elf.  I was just trying to fix an
> > assertion failure with the maple tree patches (we now assert that you're
> > holding a lock when walking the list of VMAs).
> 
> Fair enough.  I will put it on my list of things to address.

Thanks.  Now that I've disclosed it's a UAF, I hope you're able to
get to it soon.  Otherwise we should put this band-aid in for now
and you can address it properly in the fullness of time.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-31 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-31 15:37 Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2022-01-31 16:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-31 16:13   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-31 16:26     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-31 16:35       ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2022-01-31 17:13         ` Jann Horn
2022-01-31 18:44           ` [PATCH 0/5] Fix fill_files_note Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-31 18:46             ` [PATCH 1/5] coredump: Move definition of struct coredump_params into coredump.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-02-01  1:54               ` kernel test robot
2022-02-01  4:07               ` kernel test robot
2022-01-31 18:46             ` [PATCH 2/5] coredump: Snapshot the vmas in do_coredump Eric W. Biederman
2022-02-01 18:32               ` Jann Horn
2022-02-02 15:41                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-31 18:46             ` [PATCH 3/5] coredump: Remove the WARN_ON in dump_vma_snapshot Eric W. Biederman
2022-02-01 18:35               ` Jann Horn
2022-01-31 18:47             ` [PATCH 4/5] coredump/elf: Pass coredump_params into fill_note_info Eric W. Biederman
2022-02-01 18:40               ` Jann Horn
2022-01-31 18:47             ` [PATCH 5/5] coredump: Use the vma snapshot in fill_files_note Eric W. Biederman
2022-02-01 19:02               ` Jann Horn
2022-02-02 14:46                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-31 20:57             ` [PATCH 0/5] Fix fill_files_note Kees Cook
2022-03-08 19:35             ` [GIT PULL] " Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-08 21:49               ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:29                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 16:32                   ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 20:27                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 21:45                       ` Kees Cook
2022-01-31 17:38         ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Take the mmap lock when walking the VMA list Eric W. Biederman

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