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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] lib/vsprintf: defer filling siphash key on RT
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 16:25:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YufiYOOvnnioHK/1@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YufYlRWneJkvIpr7@zx2c4.com>

On 2022-08-01 15:44:12 [+0200], Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Hey again,
Hi Jason,

> By the way, another option that would be fine with me would be to make
> random.c use all raw spinlocks. From a non-RT perspective, that wouldn't
> change the codegen at all, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me.
> From an RT perspective, it would presumably fix a lot of these issues,
> and enable randomness to be available in any context, which is maybe
> what we want anyway. From an RT-safety point of view, I suspect doing
> this might actually be okay, because the locks are only ever protecting
> operations that are fixed duration CPU-bound, like generating a chacha
> block or something, not waiting for some I/O.
> 
> Thoughts on that?

That random-core change regarding random numbers broke lockdep, kasan (I
think) and now printk's %p. Each one of them appears to be exceptional
since we don't have _that_ many users asking for random numbers in
atomic context.
Making the locks raw would indeed solve all the issues at once. Last
time I was looking into this, would include three locks and I tried to
trigger the worst-case via "re-seed" and this was visible back then.
After the rework you did back thinks looked good.

> Jason

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-01 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-29 15:47 [PATCH 0/2 v2] Init the hashed pointer from a worker Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-07-29 15:47 ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] lib/vsprintf: Remove static_branch_likely() from __ptr_to_hashval() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-01 12:11   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 12:41     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-01 12:13   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 12:42     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-07-29 15:47 ` [PATCH 2/2 v2] lib/vsprintf: Initialize vsprintf's pointer hash once the random core is ready Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-07-29 23:29   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01  7:32     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-01  9:34       ` [PATCH 2/2 v3] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-01 12:36         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 12:39           ` [PATCH v4] lib/vsprintf: defer filling siphash key on RT Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 12:46             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-01 13:36               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 13:44                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 14:25                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2022-08-01 14:30                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 13:47                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-01 13:55                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 14:12                     ` [PATCH v5] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-01 14:26                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-01 12:41           ` [PATCH 2/2 v3] lib/vsprintf: Initialize vsprintf's pointer hash once the random core is ready Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-09-20 15:01         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-23 10:36           ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-23 15:28             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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