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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <walmeida@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of `WithRef`
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 07:49:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZRGd4lsNP30L2yB3@Boquns-Mac-mini.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <969eab7f-ad40-0dfb-18b9-6002fc54e12b@proton.me>

On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 09:14:50AM +0000, Benno Lossin wrote:
> On 25.09.23 08:29, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 4:50 PM Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Wedson Almeida Filho <walmeida@microsoft.com>
> >>
> >> With GATs, we don't need a separate type to represent a borrowed object
> >> with a refcount, we can just use Rust's regular shared borrowing. In
> >> this case, we use `&WithRef<T>` instead of `ArcBorrow<'_, T>`.
> >>
> >> Co-developed-by: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
> >> Signed-off-by: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
> >> Signed-off-by: Wedson Almeida Filho <walmeida@microsoft.com>
> >> ---
> >>   rust/kernel/sync.rs     |   2 +-
> >>   rust/kernel/sync/arc.rs | 134 ++++++++++++----------------------------
> >>   2 files changed, 39 insertions(+), 97 deletions(-)
> > 
> > I'm concerned about this change, because an `&WithRef<T>` only has
> > immutable permissions for the allocation. No pointer derived from it
> > may be used to modify the value in the Arc, however, the drop
> > implementation of Arc will do exactly that. 
> 
> That is indeed a problem. We could put the value in an `UnsafeCell`, but
> that would lose us niche optimizations and probably also other optimizations.
> 

Not sure I understand the problem here, why do we allow modifying the
value in the Arc if you only have a shared ownership? Also I fail to see
why `ArcBorrow` doesn't have the problem. Maybe I'm missing something
subtle here? Could you provide an example?

Regards,
Boqun

> > It also means that we
> > can't convert an Arc with refcount 1 into a UniqueArc.
> 
> I think you still can, since to do that you would consume the `Arc<T>` by
> value, thus guaranteeing that no references (and thus no `&WithRef<T>`) exist.
> So I think this would still be fine.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Benno
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-25 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-23 14:49 [PATCH v2 0/2] Remove `ArcBorrow` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] rust: arc: rename `ArcInner` to `WithRef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 19:31   ` Martin Rodriguez Reboredo
2023-09-24 11:59   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-24 13:41   ` Jianguo Bao
2023-09-25  6:21   ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-23 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of `WithRef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 19:32   ` Martin Rodriguez Reboredo
2023-09-24 11:59   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-24 13:36   ` Jianguo Bao
2023-09-25  6:29   ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25  9:14     ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 14:49       ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2023-09-25 15:00         ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 15:17           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 15:30             ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 16:02               ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 16:11                 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 15:07         ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 16:16           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 17:00             ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 18:51               ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 21:03                 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 21:55                   ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 21:58                     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 22:02                       ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 22:06                         ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 22:26                         ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 22:34                           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 23:24                             ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26  8:26                           ` Gary Guo
2023-09-26 15:24                             ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 15:41                               ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-26 16:35                                 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 17:15                                   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-26 17:43                                     ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 18:26                                       ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-26 21:31                                       ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-26 18:20                                     ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 21:27                                       ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 15:04       ` Alice Ryhl

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