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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: "Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <alice@ryhl.io>, "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <walmeida@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of `WithRef`
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:24:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZRL3mlWXqseER8xK@Boquns-Mac-mini.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230926162659.6555bcdc@gary-lowrisc-laptop>

On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 04:26:59PM +0800, Gary Guo wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 22:26:56 +0000
> Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me> wrote:
> 
[...]
> > 
> > The pointer was originally derived by a call to `into_raw`:
> > ```
> >      pub fn into_raw(self) -> *const T {
> >          let ptr = self.ptr.as_ptr();
> >          core::mem::forget(self);
> >          // SAFETY: The pointer is valid.
> >          unsafe { core::ptr::addr_of!((*ptr).data) }
> >      }
> > ```
> > So in this function the origin (also the origin of the provenance)
> > of the pointer is `ptr` which is of type `NonNull<WithRef<T>>`.
> > Raw pointers do not lose this provenance information when you cast
> > it and when using `addr_of`/`addr_of_mut`. So provenance is something
> > that is not really represented in the type system for raw pointers.
> > 
> > When doing a round trip through a reference though, the provenance is
> > newly assigned and thus would only be valid for a `T`:
> > ```
> > let raw = arc.into_raw();
> > let reference = unsafe { &*raw };
> > let raw: *const T = reference;
> > let arc = unsafe { Arc::from_raw(raw) };
> > ```
> > Miri would complain about the above code.
> > 
> 
> One thing we can do is to opt from strict provenance, so:
> 

A few questions about strict provenance:

> ```
> let raw = arc.into_raw();
> let _ = raw as usize; // expose the provenance of raw

Should this be a expose_addr()?

> let reference = unsafe { &*raw };
> let raw = reference as *const T as usize as *const T;

and this is a from_exposed_addr{_mut}(), right?

> let arc = unsafe { Arc::from_raw(raw) };
> ```
> 

One step back, If we were to use strict provenance API (i.e.
expose_addr()/from_exposed_addr()), we could use it to "fix" the
original problem? By:

*	expose_addr() in as_with_ref()
*	from_exposed_addr() in `impl From<&WithRef<T>> for Arc`

right?

More steps back, is the original issue only a real issue under strict
provenance rules? Don't make me wrong, I like the ideas behind strict
provenance, I just want to check, if we don't enable strict provenance
(as a matter of fact, we don't do it today), will the original issue
found by Alice be a UB? Or is there a way to disable Miri's check on
strict provenance? IIUC, the cause of the original issue is that "you
cannot reborrow a pointer derived from a `&` to get a `&mut`, even when
there is no other alias to the same object". Maybe I'm still missing
something, but without strict provenance, is this a problem? Or is there
a provenance model of Rust without strict provenance?

Regards,
Boqun

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-26 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-23 14:49 [PATCH v2 0/2] Remove `ArcBorrow` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] rust: arc: rename `ArcInner` to `WithRef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 19:31   ` Martin Rodriguez Reboredo
2023-09-24 11:59   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-24 13:41   ` Jianguo Bao
2023-09-25  6:21   ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-23 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of `WithRef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 19:32   ` Martin Rodriguez Reboredo
2023-09-24 11:59   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-24 13:36   ` Jianguo Bao
2023-09-25  6:29   ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25  9:14     ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 14:49       ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 15:00         ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 15:17           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 15:30             ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 16:02               ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 16:11                 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 15:07         ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 16:16           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 17:00             ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 18:51               ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 21:03                 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 21:55                   ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 21:58                     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 22:02                       ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 22:06                         ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 22:26                         ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 22:34                           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 23:24                             ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26  8:26                           ` Gary Guo
2023-09-26 15:24                             ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2023-09-26 15:41                               ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-26 16:35                                 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 17:15                                   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-26 17:43                                     ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 18:26                                       ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-26 21:31                                       ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-26 18:20                                     ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 21:27                                       ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 15:04       ` Alice Ryhl

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