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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Alice Ryhl <alice@ryhl.io>
Cc: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	a.hindborg@samsung.com, alex.gaynor@gmail.com,
	benno.lossin@proton.me, bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com,
	gary@garyguo.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, walmeida@microsoft.com,
	wedsonaf@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of `WithRef`
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 09:02:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZRGvKPhgJXWfluyZ@Boquns-Mac-mini.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b7fc71c-b3c7-4c29-92a9-587daa46ad59@ryhl.io>

On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 05:30:05PM +0200, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On 9/25/23 17:17, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 03:00:47PM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > > > > > I'm concerned about this change, because an `&WithRef<T>` only has
> > > > > > immutable permissions for the allocation. No pointer derived from it
> > > > > > may be used to modify the value in the Arc, however, the drop
> > > > > > implementation of Arc will do exactly that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That is indeed a problem. We could put the value in an `UnsafeCell`, but
> > > > > that would lose us niche optimizations and probably also other optimizations.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Not sure I understand the problem here, why do we allow modifying the
> > > > value in the Arc if you only have a shared ownership?
> > > 
> > > Well, usually it's when you have exclusive access even though the value
> > > is in an `Arc`.
> > > 
> > > The main example of this is the destructor of the `Arc`. When the last
> > > refcount drops to zero, this gives you exclusive access. This lets you
> > > run the destructor. The destructor requires mutable access.
> > > 
> > > Another example would be converting the `Arc` back into an `UniqueArc`
> > > by checking that the refcount is 1. Once you have a `UniqueArc`, you can
> > > use it to mutate the inner value.
> > > 
> > > Finally, there are methods like `Arc::get_mut_unchecked`, where you
> > > unsafely assert that nobody else is using the value while you are
> > > modifying it. We don't have that in our version of `Arc` right now, but
> > > we might want to add it later.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hmm.. but the only way to get an `Arc` from `&WithRef` is
> > 
> > 	impl From<&WithRef<T>> for Arc<T> {
> > 	    ...
> > 	}
> > 
> > , and we clone `Arc` in the that function (i.e. copying the raw
> > pointer), so we are still good?
> > 
> 
> No, the raw pointer in the Arc was created from the immutable reference, so
> the raw pointer has the same restrictions as the immutable reference did.
> 

I see, this was the part I was missing. Thanks!

Looks like the only fix is replacing `&WithRef<T>` with
`&UnsafeCell<WithRef<T>>`? But that's a bit wordy and I'm not sure
whether it's better than `ArcBorrow<'_, T>`...

Regards,
Boqun

> Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-25 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-23 14:49 [PATCH v2 0/2] Remove `ArcBorrow` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] rust: arc: rename `ArcInner` to `WithRef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 19:31   ` Martin Rodriguez Reboredo
2023-09-24 11:59   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-24 13:41   ` Jianguo Bao
2023-09-25  6:21   ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-23 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of `WithRef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 19:32   ` Martin Rodriguez Reboredo
2023-09-24 11:59   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-24 13:36   ` Jianguo Bao
2023-09-25  6:29   ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25  9:14     ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 14:49       ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 15:00         ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 15:17           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 15:30             ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 16:02               ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2023-09-25 16:11                 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 15:07         ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 16:16           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 17:00             ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 18:51               ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 21:03                 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 21:55                   ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 21:58                     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 22:02                       ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 22:06                         ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 22:26                         ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 22:34                           ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 23:24                             ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26  8:26                           ` Gary Guo
2023-09-26 15:24                             ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 15:41                               ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-26 16:35                                 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 17:15                                   ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-26 17:43                                     ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 18:26                                       ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-26 21:31                                       ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-26 18:20                                     ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 21:27                                       ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 15:04       ` Alice Ryhl

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