From: "Li Yang" <leo@zh-kernel.org>
To: "Rob Landley" <rob@landley.net>
Cc: "Gerrit Huizenga" <gh@us.ibm.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
"Kunai, Takashi" <kunai@linux-foundation.jp>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:42:07 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0bc9bf80707150742kf217ff3g8dc65efccfa692cc@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707131352.12952.rob@landley.net>
On 7/14/07, Rob Landley <rob@landley.net> wrote:
> On Friday 13 July 2007 8:43:03 am Li Yang wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 12:05 -0400, Rob Landley wrote:
> > > +A language maintainer accepts patches to the Linux kernel, written in C,
> > > from +authors who do not also speak English. The language maintainer
> > > translates the +description of each patch into English, forwards the
> > > patches to linux-kernel +and to the appropriate maintainers for inclusion
> > > in the Linux kernel, and +translates questions and replies about such
> > > patches as part of the +patch review process.
> >
> > In addiction to this responsibility, I would like to add two more which,
> > in my opinion, are more important. And these are what I'm trying to
> > do. :)
> > First, promoting contribution to Linux kernel in local language.
> > Second, coordinate the translation effort of key kernel documents.
>
> Cool. It's good to do that, but not the problem I'm worried about solving.
>
> I was trying to describe the minimum requirements for being a language
> maintainer, I.E. what non-english users need in order to be able to merge
> their patches. Because without someone to contribute patches to (I.E a
> language maintainer), documentation in non-english languages promotes the
> creation of patches that can't be merged. That's the problem I'm trying to
> solve.
>
> To me, finding language maintainers is the flip side of the coin of
> translating documentation.
I think you worried too much about this problem. :) Let me explain
the situation here in China more clearly. Actually, English is
mandatory in most schools and universities. Only very few people
learn other language as a second language. Therefore software
developers who are almost educated should have the basic English
skill. However, that doesn't mean that they can read English or
communicate with native English speaker very easily. Consider your
second language learn in school for analogy. Read in English will be
much slower and more likely to cause misunderstanding. This will
reduce the likelihood greatly of English documentation being read. If
we are promoting contribution to the Linux community, we should
maximum the possibility that these key documents being read.
Translation will serve this purpose very well.
So the possibility is very little that a translator is needed between
the Linux maintainer and a Chinese developer. Although sometimes help
is needed when there is misunderstanding.
After a brief talk with the Japanese translator, I think the case is
similar for Japanese too.
Therefore, in my opinion, language maintainer should be more a helper
and promoter rather than a gatekeeper. I will give a proposed process
later about how this helper mechanism works.
- Leo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-15 14:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-13 15:06 [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages holzheu
2007-06-13 16:37 ` Dave Hansen
2007-06-13 17:11 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-13 17:42 ` holzheu
2007-06-13 16:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-13 18:09 ` Rob Landley
2007-06-13 18:11 ` holzheu
2007-06-14 8:47 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-06-15 8:49 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-13 17:16 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-06-13 17:46 ` holzheu
2007-06-13 17:51 ` Greg KH
2007-06-13 18:18 ` holzheu
2007-06-13 18:32 ` Greg KH
2007-06-13 18:49 ` Dave Hansen
2007-06-13 18:49 ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-14 8:17 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-06-13 19:04 ` Joe Perches
2007-06-14 2:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-14 7:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15 8:51 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-13 18:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-14 8:31 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-06-14 9:41 ` Jan Kara
2007-06-14 10:38 ` holzheu
2007-06-14 11:47 ` holzheu
2007-06-14 12:26 ` Jan Kara
2007-06-14 15:22 ` holzheu
2007-06-15 18:42 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 18:51 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-06-15 19:27 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 20:01 ` Greg KH
2007-06-18 12:55 ` holzheu
2007-06-18 13:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-18 13:33 ` Jan Kara
2007-06-18 13:53 ` holzheu
2007-06-19 1:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-19 8:51 ` holzheu
2007-06-19 19:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-19 11:31 ` holzheu
2007-06-19 5:41 ` [Lf_kernel_messages] " Kunai, Takashi
2007-06-18 13:11 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-18 15:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-06-19 0:13 ` Tim Bird
2007-06-19 3:52 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 12:40 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-18 13:42 ` holzheu
2007-06-18 14:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-25 13:48 ` Documentation of kernel messages (Summary) Michael Holzheu
2007-06-25 15:44 ` Rob Landley
2007-06-25 18:05 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-27 15:11 ` Michael Holzheu
2007-07-09 5:15 ` Kunai, Takashi
2007-07-09 5:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-09 16:48 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-09 17:18 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-07-10 16:12 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 12:15 ` Michael Holzheu
2007-07-11 14:26 ` Li Yang
2007-07-11 18:13 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 21:32 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-13 10:53 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-13 12:49 ` Li Yang
2007-07-13 13:43 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-13 13:25 ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-13 21:10 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-13 18:05 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-14 3:54 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-15 1:56 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 16:28 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-16 19:53 ` Rob Landley
2007-08-03 18:11 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-03 19:32 ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04 3:50 ` Greg KH
2007-08-04 19:02 ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04 3:52 ` Greg KH
2007-08-04 18:54 ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04 20:04 ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-06 15:50 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 21:53 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-12 16:56 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-12 13:53 ` Li Yang-r58472
2007-07-12 16:05 ` [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer Rob Landley
2007-07-12 19:52 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-07-12 20:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-13 7:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-07-13 16:06 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-13 12:43 ` Li Yang
2007-07-13 17:52 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 14:42 ` Li Yang [this message]
2007-07-15 18:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-15 18:50 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-15 19:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-15 20:25 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-16 4:40 ` Ganesan Rajagopal
2007-07-16 21:43 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-17 7:19 ` Ganesan Rajagopal
2007-07-15 18:53 ` Li Yang
2007-07-15 20:25 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 9:17 ` Dr. Keith G. Bowden
2007-07-16 2:49 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-16 3:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-17 16:24 ` Li Yang
2007-07-17 21:06 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-12 16:41 ` Documentation of kernel messages (Summary) Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-12 17:35 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-13 2:54 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-13 17:12 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-14 1:46 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-15 2:12 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 16:46 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-17 16:06 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17 23:30 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-13 11:54 ` Li Yang
2007-07-15 20:30 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-09 18:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-10 16:25 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-10 18:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-10 19:53 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17 0:31 ` Tim Bird
2007-07-17 1:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-17 16:42 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17 16:29 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-10 7:59 ` Li Yang-r58472
2007-07-10 6:38 ` Dave Young
2007-07-09 7:01 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 22:59 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-10 6:15 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 18:10 ` [Lf_kernel_messages] " Theodore Tso
2007-07-09 22:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-10 16:50 ` Rob Landley
2007-06-13 18:23 ` [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages David Miller
2007-06-13 18:27 ` holzheu
2007-07-19 18:06 [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer Tsugikazu Shibata
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