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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>
Cc: Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 09/16] sched/core: Track CPU where the task was blocked on
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2026 11:59:29 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a43db121-1a12-49c5-8df1-574f57af6d01@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANDhNCrWKd_p5H2Cc0uEooD9-kU0a4e=GrFhpVA1cDyz9M2mOw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello John,

On 9/16/2026 11:22 AM, John Stultz wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2026 at 11:32 PM K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com> wrote:
>>
>> Track the CPU where task was blocked on when running with
>> sched_proxy_exec().
>>
>> This is used to re-direct the activation of blocked donors queued on the
>> blocked_head via the said CPU in the activation slowpath that will be
>> added in the subsequent patches.
> 
> I'm a little confused on this, as the cpu the task was blocked on
> doesn't intuitively have much bearing on where we'd want to activate
> it, when a sleeping owner wakes up.
> 
> When a lock owner sleeps, all the chains of tasks waiting on that lock
> (directly or not), will be enqueued on that sleeping owner.
> 
> In my patch, when the sleeping owner wakes up, it may or may not wake
> up on the cpu it was dequeued from.  It seems we would want to enqueue
> all of those blocked tasks onto the same runqueue where we activated
> the owner, so they are all present on the same rq to be selected as a
> donor to potentially run the owner and release the lock.
> 
> Since its like there is a likely chance the sleeping owner will wake
> elsewhere (It looks like proxy_activate_blocked_task() in the later
> patch effectively overrides the activation on the given rq and instead
> wakes the tasks on the blocked_cpu),  won't this end up activating the
> chain of blocked waiters on the wrong cpu (forcing them all to be
> immediately proxy migrated over)?

The base concept is this: When the task is blocked and is queued on a
sleeping owner (p->is_linked = 1), the whole chain is linked to one
CPU (p->blocked_cpu).

This is why, later, in Patch 13, we block with (SLEEP | MIGRATING),
and do __set_task_cpu() to owner->blocked_cpu before we transition
p->on_rq to 0.

Entire chain is linked to the p->blocked_cpu of the top level sleeping
owner.

p->wake_cpu can change (more on that below) when task is fully blocked
(p->on_rq = 0) but we *need* to have one unified CPU for the entire
chain to resume wakeup from which is why we need a second variable.

For ->is_linked tasks, any state transition (p->on_rq transitions) are
guarded by p->blocked_cpu's rq_lock() and that *cannot* change until
the owner's wakeup in proxy_activate_task() is finished.

Any external wakeup in ttwu_runnable() for p->on_rq = 0 &&
p->is_linked = 1 should go via "p->blocked_cpu". Same for all the
guard(sched_change) stuff.

Also since we do a:

    set_task_cpu(owner, cpu);
    ttwu_do_activate(rq, owner, flags);

we cannot simply look at task_cpu(owner) in ttwu_do_activate() to
know where the donor-chain resides. We need the p->blocked_cpu. 
>> p->wake_cpu or task_cpu() is not sufficient for this purpose since
>> p->wake_cpu is not stable when !task_on_rq_queued() and there is a
>> window between set_task_cpu() and activet_blocked_task() in the wakeup
>> path that needs to be plugged in.
> 
> Sorry if I'm being dim here.
> 
> Do you have more details on this? Was my patch prone to the same issue
> you're avoiding in the second item here?
I think NUMA balancing and workqueue have cases where only p->wake_cpu
can be manipulated to direct wakeup of a blocked task but it is only
done when p->on_rq is  0 and p->wake_cpu is always changed to a CPU
within the task's affinity boundary so your series does not have a
problem.

Only because this RFC's approach needs to track which CPU has the
ownership of the entire chain, I need a second variable.

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-16  6:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-26  6:28 [RFC PATCH 00/16][PoC] sched/core: Alternate approach to sleeping-owner handling in PROXY_EXEC K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] sched/core: Break activation of blocked task into a separate helper K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] sched/core: Use enqueue/dequeue flags instead of task_on_rq_migrating() K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] sched/fair: Use enqueue flags for DO_ATTACH in update_load_avg() K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26 15:36   ` Andrea Righi
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] sched/core: Activate blocked donor when no owner is found K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26 15:56   ` Andrea Righi
2026-08-26 17:20     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-28  6:04       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-31 15:07         ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-16  4:16           ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-16  3:29   ` John Stultz
2026-09-16  4:16     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] sched/core: Do not queue blocked donor on a delayed owner K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] sched/core: Queue blocked donor onto sleeping owner for chain-wakeup K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26 16:20   ` Andrea Righi
2026-08-27  3:51     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] sched/core: Avoid delaying blocked donors queued on sleeping owner K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] sched/deadline: Prepare for blocking and proxy activation with MIGRATING flag K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] sched/core: Track CPU where the task was blocked on K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-16  5:52   ` John Stultz
2026-09-16  6:29     ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] sched/core: Introduce p->is_linked to track if task is queued on sleeping owner K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] sched/core: Prepare to inspect ->is_linked alongside ->on_rq during wakeup K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] sched:core: Add MIGRATING flags when blocking and activating linked donors K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] sched/core: Use p->is_linked state to unlink from sleeping owner early K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] sched/core: Introduce chain-wakeup to activate blocked donors K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-15  5:48   ` John Stultz
2026-08-26  6:28 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] locking/mutex: Track locks owned by a task in a per-task counter K Prateek Nayak
2026-08-26  6:29 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] sched/core: Set activation of non lock-holders to fast-path K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-16  5:22 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16][PoC] sched/core: Alternate approach to sleeping-owner handling in PROXY_EXEC John Stultz
2026-09-16  6:10   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-16  6:23     ` John Stultz
2026-09-16  6:59       ` K Prateek Nayak

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