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From: Matt Thrailkill <matt.thrailkill@gmail.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: "Ryan C. Gordon" <icculus@icculus.org>,
	"Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: FatELF patches...
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:30:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a91053ef0911031030g46e908c9u1bb1e3235f148480@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <151663.1257260057@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:54 AM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:14:15 EST, "Ryan C. Gordon" said:
>
>> I probably wasn't clear when I said "distribution-wide policy" followed by
>> a "then again." I meant there would be backlash if the distribution glued
>> the whole system together, instead of just binaries that made sense to do
>> it to.
>
> OK.. I'll bite - which binaries does it make sense to do so?  Remember in
> your answer to address the very valid point that any binaries you *don't*
> do this for will still need equivalent hand-holding by the package manager.
> So if you're not doing all of them, you need to address the additional
> maintenance overhead of "which way is this package supposed to be built?"
> and all the derivative headaches.
>
> It might be instructive to not do a merge of *everything* in Ubuntu as you
> did, but only select a random 20% or so of the packages and convert them
> to FatELF, and see what breaks. (If our experience with 'make randconfig'
> in the kernel is any indication, you'll hit a *lot* of corner cases and
> pre-reqs you didn't know about...)

I think he is thinking of only having FatELF binaries for binaries and
libraries
that overlap between 32- and 64-bit in a distro install.  Perhaps everything
that is sitting in /lib32 for example could instead be in a FatELF
binaries in /lib,
alongside the 64-bit binary.

A thought I had, that I don't think has come up in this thread:
could it be practical or worthwhile for distros to use FatElf to ship multiple
executables with different compiler optimizations?  i586, i686, etc.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-03 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-30  2:19 Ryan C. Gordon
2009-10-30  5:42 ` Rayson Ho
2009-10-30 14:54   ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-01 19:20 ` David Hagood
2009-11-01 20:28   ` Måns Rullgård
2009-11-01 20:59     ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-01 21:15       ` Måns Rullgård
2009-11-01 21:35         ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  4:58           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-02 15:14             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-03 14:54               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-03 18:30                 ` Matt Thrailkill [this message]
2009-11-01 22:08         ` Rayson Ho
2009-11-02  1:17           ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  3:27             ` Rayson Ho
2009-11-02  0:01       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02  2:21         ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  6:17           ` Julien BLACHE
2009-11-02 18:18             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 18:59               ` Julien BLACHE
2009-11-02 19:08               ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-11-02  6:27           ` David Miller
2009-11-02 15:32             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  9:16           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 17:39             ` david
2009-11-02 17:44               ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 19:56               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-02 20:11                 ` david
2009-11-02 20:33                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-03  1:35                   ` Mikael Pettersson
2009-11-02 15:40           ` Diego Calleja
2009-11-04 16:40           ` package managers [was: FatELF patches...] Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 16:54             ` Alan Cox
2009-11-04 17:25               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 17:48                 ` Martin Nybo Andersen
2009-11-04 18:46                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 19:46                     ` Alan Cox
2009-11-04 20:04                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 20:27                         ` david
2009-11-04 20:02                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 20:08                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 20:41                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 21:11                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 21:32                             ` kevin granade
2009-11-04 22:05                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 22:19                                 ` Marcin Letyns
2009-11-04 22:28                                   ` david
2009-11-04 22:43                                 ` Martin Nybo Andersen
2009-11-04 23:55                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-05  2:24                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-05  2:52                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
     [not found]                                         ` <f42384a10911050134t37a0a812hd85ff5541423dc9f@mail.gmail.com>
2009-11-05  9:35                                           ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2009-11-10 11:40                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-04 23:11                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-05  0:05                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-10 11:57                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-04 17:36             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 20:28             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 17:52         ` FatELF patches Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 18:53           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 20:13             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-04  1:09               ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-10 11:27           ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 12:40             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 13:00               ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 13:19                 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 16:11       ` Chris Adams
2009-11-01 20:40   ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-10 10:04   ` Enrico Weigelt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-03  6:43 Eric Windisch
2009-11-03 11:21 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 10:10   ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 12:15     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 10:21 ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found] <dAPfP-5R6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <dBOhH-uY-9@gated-at.bofh.it>

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