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From: "Ryan C. Gordon" <icculus@icculus.org>
To: Rayson Ho <raysonlogin@gmail.com>
Cc: "Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: FatELF patches...
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:17:50 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.1.10.0911012017450.55434@caridad.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <73a01bf20911011408v5b6d335fj46c893a8e7d26ab4@mail.gmail.com>


> Adding code that might bring lawsuits to Linux developers,
> distributors, users is a BIG disadvantage.

I'm tracking down a lawyer to discuss the issue. I'm surprised there 
aren't a few hanging around here, honestly. I sent a request in to the 
SFLC, and if that doesn't pan out, I'll dig for coins in my car seat to 
pay a lawyer for a few hours of her time.

If it's a big deal, we'll figure out what to do from there. But let's not 
talk about the sky falling until we get to that point, please.

> "Given enough disc space, there's no reason you couldn't have one DVD
> .iso that installs an x86-64, x86, PowerPC, SPARC, and MIPS system"

I've had about a million people point out the boot loader thing. There's 
an x86/amd64 forest if you can see past the MIPS trees.

Still, I said there were different points that were more compelling for 
different individuals. I don't think this is the most compelling argument 
on that page, and I think there's a value in talking about theoretical 
benefits in addition to practical ones. Theoretical ones become practical 
the moment someone decides to roll out a company-internal distribution 
that works on all the workstations inside IBM or Google or whatever...even 
if Fedora would turn their nose up at the idea for a general-purpose 
release.

> IMO, the biggest problem users get is not with which hardware binary
> to download, but the incompatibly of different Linux kernels and glibc
> (the API/ABI).

These are concerns, too, but the kernel has been, in my experience, very 
good at binary compatibility with user space back as far as I can 
remember. glibc has had some painful progress, but since NPTL stabilized a 
long time ago, even this hasn't been bad at all.

Certainly one has to be careful--I would even use the word diligent--to 
maintain binary compatibility, but this was much more of a hurting for 
application developers a decade ago.

At least, that's been my experience.

--ryan.



  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-02  1:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-30  2:19 Ryan C. Gordon
2009-10-30  5:42 ` Rayson Ho
2009-10-30 14:54   ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-01 19:20 ` David Hagood
2009-11-01 20:28   ` Måns Rullgård
2009-11-01 20:59     ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-01 21:15       ` Måns Rullgård
2009-11-01 21:35         ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  4:58           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-02 15:14             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-03 14:54               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-03 18:30                 ` Matt Thrailkill
2009-11-01 22:08         ` Rayson Ho
2009-11-02  1:17           ` Ryan C. Gordon [this message]
2009-11-02  3:27             ` Rayson Ho
2009-11-02  0:01       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02  2:21         ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  6:17           ` Julien BLACHE
2009-11-02 18:18             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 18:59               ` Julien BLACHE
2009-11-02 19:08               ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-11-02  6:27           ` David Miller
2009-11-02 15:32             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  9:16           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 17:39             ` david
2009-11-02 17:44               ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 19:56               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-02 20:11                 ` david
2009-11-02 20:33                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-03  1:35                   ` Mikael Pettersson
2009-11-02 15:40           ` Diego Calleja
2009-11-04 16:40           ` package managers [was: FatELF patches...] Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 16:54             ` Alan Cox
2009-11-04 17:25               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 17:48                 ` Martin Nybo Andersen
2009-11-04 18:46                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 19:46                     ` Alan Cox
2009-11-04 20:04                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 20:27                         ` david
2009-11-04 20:02                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 20:08                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 20:41                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 21:11                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 21:32                             ` kevin granade
2009-11-04 22:05                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 22:19                                 ` Marcin Letyns
2009-11-04 22:28                                   ` david
2009-11-04 22:43                                 ` Martin Nybo Andersen
2009-11-04 23:55                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-05  2:24                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-05  2:52                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
     [not found]                                         ` <f42384a10911050134t37a0a812hd85ff5541423dc9f@mail.gmail.com>
2009-11-05  9:35                                           ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2009-11-10 11:40                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-04 23:11                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-05  0:05                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-10 11:57                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-04 17:36             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 20:28             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 17:52         ` FatELF patches Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 18:53           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 20:13             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-04  1:09               ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-10 11:27           ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 12:40             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 13:00               ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 13:19                 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 16:11       ` Chris Adams
2009-11-01 20:40   ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-10 10:04   ` Enrico Weigelt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-03  6:43 Eric Windisch
2009-11-03 11:21 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 10:10   ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 12:15     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 10:21 ` Enrico Weigelt
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     [not found] ` <dBOhH-uY-9@gated-at.bofh.it>

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