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From: "Ryan C. Gordon" <icculus@icculus.org>
To: "Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: FatELF patches...
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:35:05 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.1.10.0911011623070.55174@caridad.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yw1xhbte0wx0.fsf@unicorn.mansr.com>


> It's not the size of the kernel patch I'm worried about.  What worries
> me is the disk space needed when *all* my executables and libraries
> are suddenly 3, 4, or 5 times the size they need to be.

Then don't make FatELF files with 5 binaries in it. Or don't make FatELF 
files at all.

I glued two full Ubuntu installs together as a proof of concept, but I 
think if Ubuntu did this as a distribution-wide policy, then people would 
probably choose a different distribution.

Then again, I hope Ubuntu uses FatELF on a handful of binaries, and 
removes the /lib64 and /lib32 directories.

> There is also the issue of speed to launch these things.  It *has* to
> be slower than executing a native file directly.

In that there will be one extra read of 128 bytes, yes, but I'm not sure 
that's a measurable performance hit. For regular ELF files, the overhead 
is approximately one extra branch instruction. Considering that most files 
won't be FatELF, that seems like an acceptable cost.

> It's far too easy to use computers already.  That's the reason for the
> spam problem.

Clearly that's going to remain as a philosophical difference between us, 
so I won't waste your time trying to dissuade you.

--ryan.



  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-01 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-30  2:19 Ryan C. Gordon
2009-10-30  5:42 ` Rayson Ho
2009-10-30 14:54   ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-01 19:20 ` David Hagood
2009-11-01 20:28   ` Måns Rullgård
2009-11-01 20:59     ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-01 21:15       ` Måns Rullgård
2009-11-01 21:35         ` Ryan C. Gordon [this message]
2009-11-02  4:58           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-02 15:14             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-03 14:54               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-03 18:30                 ` Matt Thrailkill
2009-11-01 22:08         ` Rayson Ho
2009-11-02  1:17           ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  3:27             ` Rayson Ho
2009-11-02  0:01       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02  2:21         ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  6:17           ` Julien BLACHE
2009-11-02 18:18             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 18:59               ` Julien BLACHE
2009-11-02 19:08               ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-11-02  6:27           ` David Miller
2009-11-02 15:32             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  9:16           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 17:39             ` david
2009-11-02 17:44               ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 19:56               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-02 20:11                 ` david
2009-11-02 20:33                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-03  1:35                   ` Mikael Pettersson
2009-11-02 15:40           ` Diego Calleja
2009-11-04 16:40           ` package managers [was: FatELF patches...] Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 16:54             ` Alan Cox
2009-11-04 17:25               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 17:48                 ` Martin Nybo Andersen
2009-11-04 18:46                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 19:46                     ` Alan Cox
2009-11-04 20:04                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 20:27                         ` david
2009-11-04 20:02                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 20:08                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 20:41                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 21:11                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 21:32                             ` kevin granade
2009-11-04 22:05                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 22:19                                 ` Marcin Letyns
2009-11-04 22:28                                   ` david
2009-11-04 22:43                                 ` Martin Nybo Andersen
2009-11-04 23:55                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-05  2:24                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-05  2:52                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
     [not found]                                         ` <f42384a10911050134t37a0a812hd85ff5541423dc9f@mail.gmail.com>
2009-11-05  9:35                                           ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2009-11-10 11:40                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-04 23:11                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-05  0:05                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-10 11:57                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-04 17:36             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 20:28             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 17:52         ` FatELF patches Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 18:53           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 20:13             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-04  1:09               ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-10 11:27           ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 12:40             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 13:00               ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 13:19                 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 16:11       ` Chris Adams
2009-11-01 20:40   ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-10 10:04   ` Enrico Weigelt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-03  6:43 Eric Windisch
2009-11-03 11:21 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 10:10   ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 12:15     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 10:21 ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found] <dAPfP-5R6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <dBOhH-uY-9@gated-at.bofh.it>

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