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From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Zhen Lei <thunder.leizhen@huawei.com>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	iommu <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/6] add non-strict mode support for arm-smmu-v3
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:51:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aace9ec9-a36a-79a8-98eb-bbedd06f11a4@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1531376312-2192-1-git-send-email-thunder.leizhen@huawei.com>

On 2018-07-12 7:18 AM, Zhen Lei wrote:
> v2 -> v3:
> Add a bootup option "iommu_strict_mode" to make the manager can choose which
> mode to be used. The first 5 patches have not changed.
> +	iommu_strict_mode=	[arm-smmu-v3]
> +		0 - strict mode (default)
> +		1 - non-strict mode
> 
> v1 -> v2:
> Use the lowest bit of the io_pgtable_ops.unmap's iova parameter to pass the strict mode:
> 0, IOMMU_STRICT;
> 1, IOMMU_NON_STRICT;
> Treat 0 as IOMMU_STRICT, so that the unmap operation can compatible with
> other IOMMUs which still use strict mode. In other words, this patch series
> will not impact other IOMMU drivers. I tried add a new quirk IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK_NON_STRICT
> in io_pgtable_cfg.quirks, but it can not pass the strict mode of the domain from SMMUv3
> driver to io-pgtable module.

What exactly is the issue there? We don't have any problem with other 
quirks like NO_DMA, and as I said before, by the time we're allocating 
the io-pgtable in arm_smmu_domain_finalise() we already know everything 
there is to know about the domain.

> Add a new member domain_non_strict in struct iommu_dma_cookie, this member will only be
> initialized when the related domain and IOMMU driver support non-strict mode.
> 
> v1:
> In common, a IOMMU unmap operation follow the below steps:
> 1. remove the mapping in page table of the specified iova range
> 2. execute tlbi command to invalid the mapping which is cached in TLB
> 3. wait for the above tlbi operation to be finished
> 4. free the IOVA resource
> 5. free the physical memory resource
> 
> This maybe a problem when unmap is very frequently, the combination of tlbi
> and wait operation will consume a lot of time. A feasible method is put off
> tlbi and iova-free operation, when accumulating to a certain number or
> reaching a specified time, execute only one tlbi_all command to clean up
> TLB, then free the backup IOVAs. Mark as non-strict mode.
> 
> But it must be noted that, although the mapping has already been removed in
> the page table, it maybe still exist in TLB. And the freed physical memory
> may also be reused for others. So a attacker can persistent access to memory
> based on the just freed IOVA, to obtain sensible data or corrupt memory. So
> the VFIO should always choose the strict mode.
> 
> Some may consider put off physical memory free also, that will still follow
> strict mode. But for the map_sg cases, the memory allocation is not controlled
> by IOMMU APIs, so it is not enforceable.
> 
> Fortunately, Intel and AMD have already applied the non-strict mode, and put
> queue_iova() operation into the common file dma-iommu.c., and my work is based
> on it. The difference is that arm-smmu-v3 driver will call IOMMU common APIs to
> unmap, but Intel and AMD IOMMU drivers are not.
> 
> Below is the performance data of strict vs non-strict for NVMe device:
> Randomly Read  IOPS: 146K(strict) vs 573K(non-strict)
> Randomly Write IOPS: 143K(strict) vs 513K(non-strict)

How does that compare to passthrough performance? One thing I'm not 
entirely clear about is what the realistic use-case for this is - even 
if invalidation were infinitely fast, enabling translation still 
typically has a fair impact on overall system performance in terms of 
latency, power, memory bandwidth, etc., so I can't help wonder what 
devices exist today for which performance is critical and robustness* is 
unimportant, yet have crippled addressing capabilities such that they 
can't just use passthrough.

Robin.


* I don't want to say "security" here, since I'm actually a lot less 
concerned about the theoretical malicious endpoint/wild write scenarios 
than the the much more straightforward malfunctioning device and/or 
buggy driver causing use-after-free style memory corruption. Also, I'm 
sick of the word "security"...

> 
> Zhen Lei (6):
>    iommu/arm-smmu-v3: fix the implementation of flush_iotlb_all hook
>    iommu/dma: add support for non-strict mode
>    iommu/amd: use default branch to deal with all non-supported
>      capabilities
>    iommu/io-pgtable-arm: add support for non-strict mode
>    iommu/arm-smmu-v3: add support for non-strict mode
>    iommu/arm-smmu-v3: add bootup option "iommu_strict_mode"
> 
>   Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 12 +++++++
>   drivers/iommu/amd_iommu.c                       |  4 +--
>   drivers/iommu/arm-smmu-v3.c                     | 42 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
>   drivers/iommu/dma-iommu.c                       | 25 +++++++++++++++
>   drivers/iommu/io-pgtable-arm.c                  | 23 ++++++++------
>   include/linux/iommu.h                           |  7 +++++
>   6 files changed, 98 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-07-24 21:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-12  6:18 Zhen Lei
2018-07-12  6:18 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: fix the implementation of flush_iotlb_all hook Zhen Lei
2018-07-12  6:18 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] iommu/dma: add support for non-strict mode Zhen Lei
2018-07-24 22:01   ` Robin Murphy
2018-07-26  4:15     ` Leizhen (ThunderTown)
2018-07-12  6:18 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] iommu/amd: use default branch to deal with all non-supported capabilities Zhen Lei
2018-07-12  6:18 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: add support for non-strict mode Zhen Lei
2018-07-24 22:25   ` Robin Murphy
2018-07-26  7:20     ` Leizhen (ThunderTown)
2018-07-26 14:35       ` Robin Murphy
2018-08-06  1:32         ` Yang, Shunyong
2018-08-14  8:33           ` Leizhen (ThunderTown)
2018-08-14  8:35             ` Will Deacon
2018-08-14 10:02               ` Robin Murphy
2018-08-15  1:43                 ` Yang, Shunyong
2018-08-15  7:33                   ` Will Deacon
2018-08-15  7:35                     ` Will Deacon
2018-08-16  0:43                       ` Yang, Shunyong
2018-07-12  6:18 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: " Zhen Lei
2018-07-12  6:18 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: add bootup option "iommu_strict_mode" Zhen Lei
2018-07-24 22:46   ` Robin Murphy
2018-07-26  7:41     ` Leizhen (ThunderTown)
2018-07-24 21:51 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2018-07-26  3:44   ` [PATCH v3 0/6] add non-strict mode support for arm-smmu-v3 Leizhen (ThunderTown)
2018-07-26 14:16     ` Robin Murphy
2018-07-27  2:49       ` Leizhen (ThunderTown)
2018-07-27  9:37         ` Will Deacon

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