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From: Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org,
	 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 3/3] atomic: Add alignment check to instrumented atomic operations
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 11:23:28 +1000 (AEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeb17f15-de44-e46e-cb3a-0edc1551d3e1@linux-m68k.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdV92Lu646bJ3cmEoR5C4rfkFsaf0E_uYPbSiLwrTtMbTw@mail.gmail.com>


On Tue, 16 Sep 2025, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Sept 2025 at 02:16, Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2025, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > >
> > > Has there been any progress on building m68k kernels with 
> > > -mint-align?
> >
> > Not that I know of.
> >
> > > IIRC there are only a small number of uapi structures that need 
> > > __packed annotations to maintain the existing syscall ABI.
> >
> > Packing uapi structures (and adopting -malign-int) sounds easier than 
> > the alternative, which might be to align certain internal kernel 
> > struct members, on a case-by-case basis, where doing so could be shown 
> > to improve performance on some architecture or other (while keeping 
> > -mno-align-int).
> 
> indeed.
> 

Well, it "sounds easier". But I doubt that it really is easier.

> > Well, it's easy to find all the structs that belong to the uapi, but 
> > it's not easy to find all the internal kernel structs that describe 
> > MMIO registers. For -malign-int, both kinds of structs are a problem.
> 
> For structures under arch/m68k/include/asm/, just create a single C file 
> that calculates sizeof() of each structure, and compare the generated 
> code with and without -malign-int.  Any differences should be 
> investigated, and attributed when needed.
> 
> For structures inside m68k-specific drivers, do something similar inside 
> those drivers ('git grep "struct\s*[a-zA-Z0-9_]*\s*{"' is your friend).
> 

There's something to be said for adding static_assert() checks for the 
structs that belong to all fixed interfaces. The patches to actually pack 
of struct members could take place after that.

All of which is a lot of work, compared to specifying alignment for those 
core kernel data structures where doing so improves performance. This 
approach is platform neutral; it's not just m68k that benefits.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17  1:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-14  0:45 [RFC v2 0/3] Align atomic storage Finn Thain
2025-09-14  0:45 ` [RFC v2 2/3] atomic: Specify alignment for atomic_t and atomic64_t Finn Thain
2025-09-15  7:13   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-15  7:35   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-15  8:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15  9:26     ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15  9:29       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-22  7:06   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-22  8:16     ` Finn Thain
2025-09-22  9:29       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-22 15:21       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23  6:28         ` Finn Thain
2025-09-23  6:41           ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23  8:05             ` Finn Thain
2025-09-23 19:11               ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-30  2:18           ` Finn Thain
2025-09-30  6:35             ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-01  1:03               ` Finn Thain
2025-10-01  6:44                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06  9:25                   ` Finn Thain
2025-10-06  9:25               ` Finn Thain
2025-10-06 10:07                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06 10:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-06 11:09                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06  9:37               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-30  7:41             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-01  1:46               ` Finn Thain
2025-10-01  7:08                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-14  0:45 ` [RFC v2 3/3] atomic: Add alignment check to instrumented atomic operations Finn Thain
2025-09-15  8:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15  9:38     ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15 10:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15 10:37         ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15 11:20           ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-16  0:16             ` Finn Thain
2025-09-16 10:10               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-17  1:23                 ` Finn Thain [this message]
2025-09-16 12:37               ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-16 21:38                 ` Brad Boyer
2025-09-17 16:54                   ` Andreas Schwab
2025-09-17  2:14                 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-22 15:49                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23  6:39                     ` Finn Thain
2025-09-14  0:45 ` [RFC v2 1/3] documentation: Discourage alignment assumptions Finn Thain

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