From: Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Ao Sun <ao.sun@transsion.com>, David Carlier <devnexen@gmail.com>,
Karl Mehltretter <kmehltretter@gmail.com>,
Martin Kaiser <martin@kaiser.cx>,
Pengpeng Hou <pengpeng@iscas.ac.cn>,
Qian-Yu Lin <tiffany019230@gmail.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Rosen Penev <rosenp@gmail.com>,
Shuvam Pandey <shuvampandey1@gmail.com>,
Vineeth Pillai <vineeth@bitbyteword.org>,
Yash Suthar <yashsuthar983@gmail.com>,
Yu Peng <pengyu@kylinos.cn>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] tracing: Updates for 7.2
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2026 11:19:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajVd_YHs9tLYOxO1@yury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wikCBeVFjVXiY4o-oepdbjAoir5+TcAgtL12c4u1TpZLQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 09:23:04PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 at 15:01, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> >
> > tracing: Updates for v7.2:
>
> I wondered why the heck this causes the whole kernel to be rebuilt,
> when the diffstat looked fairly innocuous.
>
> It's because it changed <linux/trace_printk.h>, which used to be part
> of <linux/kernel.h> but was split out in commit bec261fec6d4
> ("tracing: move tracing declarations from kernel.h to a dedicated
> header").
>
> But the second stage of splitting it out - not including it from
> <linux/kernel.h> - was never done, so now while the diffstat *looks*
> innocuous, it is still as deadly to the build as an actual
> <linux/kernel.h> change would be.
>
> The intent was clearly to make people who actually needed the
> trace_printk() functionality to include the header - that's what the
> commit log says. But that's not how any of it works ;(
>
> So all that commit did was to make things look like they wouldn't hurt
> as much as they do, and that trivial change to that file causes a full
> rebuild of the kernel.
>
> I'm not seeing any patches even being discussed that would make only
> files that need it to include that file and remove it from
> linux/kernel.h that *everybody* uses. Yet that was the *only* point of
> making it a separate header in the first place. Yury?
Yes, you are right. The original intention was to decouple trace_printk()
and kernel.h, and I have the patch for it in v4:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/aVvoe5fQN3EUtEAJ@yury/
The Steven's point is the convenience for developers to throw
trace_printk() here and there without including any headers.
I'm not one of those trace_printk() users, but I take that. Even
though, I don't think it's a strong argument, pretty much for the
same reasons that you've described above.
I suggested adding a debugging flag, so that trace_printk() would
be included in kernel.h conditionally, if it's absolutely necessary
to have the API included "automatically":
> > make D=1 // trace_printk() is available
> > make D=0 // trace_printk() is not available
> > make // trace_printk() is not available
That was rejected too.
I even measured 1.5-2% compile time decrease back then. Surely need to
retest it to make sure.
I'm still for decoupling trace_printk() and kernel.h, so I can resend
if needed.
Thanks,
Yury
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-19 15:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-16 22:01 Steven Rostedt
2026-06-19 4:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-19 12:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-19 14:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-19 15:40 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-19 15:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-19 18:30 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-19 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-19 20:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-19 20:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-20 9:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2026-06-19 22:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-22 12:50 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-06-19 15:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-19 16:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-21 20:26 ` Agatha Isabelle Moreira
2026-06-21 20:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-21 21:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-21 23:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-22 8:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-20 20:24 ` Julia Lawall
2026-06-21 20:34 ` Agatha Isabelle Moreira
2026-06-20 22:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-20 22:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-20 23:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-21 0:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-21 6:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-21 7:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-22 8:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-22 8:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-24 9:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-25 20:55 ` Vincent Mailhol
2026-06-27 8:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-19 15:19 ` Yury Norov [this message]
2026-06-19 15:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-19 22:18 ` Yury Norov
2026-06-19 4:38 ` pr-tracker-bot
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=ajVd_YHs9tLYOxO1@yury \
--to=yury.norov@gmail.com \
--cc=ao.sun@transsion.com \
--cc=devnexen@gmail.com \
--cc=kmehltretter@gmail.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=martin@kaiser.cx \
--cc=mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com \
--cc=mhiramat@kernel.org \
--cc=pengpeng@iscas.ac.cn \
--cc=pengyu@kylinos.cn \
--cc=riel@surriel.com \
--cc=rosenp@gmail.com \
--cc=rostedt@goodmis.org \
--cc=shuvampandey1@gmail.com \
--cc=tiffany019230@gmail.com \
--cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=vineeth@bitbyteword.org \
--cc=yashsuthar983@gmail.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox
Powered by JetHome