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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Is gcc thread-unsafe?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:14:17 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0710261111390.30120@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071026190856.18510fc4@the-village.bc.nu>



On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > non-volatile variables. But for asm statements this can be solved by
> > adding memory to the list of clobbered registers -- this will prevent
> > any reordering of manipulations of non-volatile variables and asm
> > statements.
> 
> IFF the processor doesn't reorder them in hardware, which on some
> processors is visibly out of order when viewed from an I/O device or
> another CPU.
> 
> You can stop the compiler but not the CPU - and some processors will
> certainly speculatively load across conditionals, reorder writes etc

Well, when we're talking inline asms used for locking, the whole point of 
using inline asm is exactly that you cannot do it with regular accesses, 
and have to add architecture-specific barriers. If the user gets that 
wrong, then it's a user problem, not a compiler issue.

So that's not the problem. The problem is if the compiler then does other 
things wrong *despite* the inline asm being correct. 

				Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-26 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <e2e108260710260729x4603211cgb68d7434ce1e54e9@mail.gmail.com>
2007-10-26 14:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 15:09   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:34     ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 18:06       ` David Schwartz
2007-10-30 10:20         ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-02 15:29           ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 15:38             ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 15:13               ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-04 17:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-04 17:58                   ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 18:06                   ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 17:18             ` David Schwartz
2007-10-26 21:45     ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-26 22:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:27   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 16:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 17:07       ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 17:12         ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:25           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 18:08         ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26 18:14           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-10-26 20:39           ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-28 18:19 linux
     [not found] <fa.JbRGo0cQWncrcfKHmiNdvchsA50@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.8qDECVaPIo7DWbjhQbyw6N5Infg@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.M4DOMggyrQmdTqekWSuw4xCxiTc@ifi.uio.no>
2007-10-25 23:27     ` Robert Hancock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-25  3:24 Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  3:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25  3:58   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  4:29     ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25  4:35       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 18:45         ` Måns Rullgård
2007-10-25  4:47       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  9:40         ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:44         ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:54           ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:55           ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25  7:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 11:58   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-25 12:16     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 22:49   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:09     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:16         ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:42             ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26  1:15                 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-26  4:57               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-10-25 23:43       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:55         ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57           ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 15:12   ` Pekka Enberg
2007-10-25 21:42   ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 23:22     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-26 11:59       ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 11:59       ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:39         ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-25 22:26   ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-10-25 22:56     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-25 23:04       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31 22:10 ` Phillip Susi

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