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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rmk@arm.linux.org.uk, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [git patch] free_irq() fixes
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:19:52 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804231914270.2779@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <480FEC1B.6040102@garzik.org>



On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
> When drivers make assumptions about system irq numbering, particularly on x86,
> IMO the situation is fragile.

And when people make changes to long-standing and stable infrastructure, 
the situation also gets fragile.

The fact is, stability of interfaces is a really worthy goal in itself. 
Making a change for its own sake is not a good thing. This fixes 
*nothing*, and the driver changes I objected to I objected to because they 
were ugly as sin.

And I want to point out that your patches made it *much* uglier.

So "cleanup" it sure as hell wasn't. That irq number may not be worth all 
that much in itself, but it has no subtle implementation problems (we 
_need_ that irq number for registration and irq handler lookup anyway, so 
it is meaningful from a driver perspective, and is well-defined from a irq 
core standpoint as well).

I don't mind cleanups, but this is "churn". Change for its own sake. If it 
doesn't lead to any _improvement_, it's pointless.

If drivers don't need it, let them ignore it. But let them ignore it in 
ways that work across versions, and in ways that don't cause ridiculous 
and ugly work-arounds for when they do want it (even if it's just for a 
printk() or similar).

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-24  2:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-22 22:17 Jeff Garzik
2008-04-22 22:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 22:59   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-22 23:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 23:49       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-22 23:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23  0:05           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-23  0:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23 13:51               ` Rene Herman
2008-04-24  2:10                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-24  2:19                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-04-24  5:59                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-24 10:53                       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-24 15:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-24 15:40                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-24 15:55                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-24 15:37                               ` Alan Cox
2008-04-24 16:20                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-24 16:16                               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-24 16:48                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-24 16:58                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-24 18:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-24 17:30                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-25  2:53                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-25  3:33                                     ` MSI, fun for the whole family (was Re: [git patch] free_irq() fixes) Jeff Garzik
2008-04-25  3:57                                       ` MSI, fun for the whole family Roland Dreier
2008-04-25  4:19                                         ` David Miller
2008-04-25  4:35                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-25  5:48                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-25 22:44                                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-25  5:08                                       ` Eric W. Biederman

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