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From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>, Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/2] sched: Enable preferred SMT siblings on NVIDIA Olympus
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2026 08:41:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqD_gpvJOFqcmlmg@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ed191145-d58e-4463-8f54-a7bb86cce646@amd.com>

On Wed, Sep 09, 2026 at 12:06:06PM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> Hello Andrea,
> 
> On 9/9/2026 11:56 AM, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > NVIDIA Olympus implements SMT with two symmetric processing elements (PEs).
> > When only one PE is active, the core operates in single-thread mode and
> > that PE can use the full core resources. When both PEs are active, the core
> > operates in two-thread mode and the PEs share those resources. This
> > behavior is common to SMT implementations, but Olympus is particularly
> > sensitive to brief sibling activations because returning from two-thread
> > mode to single-thread mode after a sibling becomes idle is not immediate.
> > As described by commit 293f9611ae735 ("sched/fair: Prefer fully idle cores
> > for NOHZ balancing"):
> > 
> >   Briefly activating an otherwise idle sibling can reduce the performance
> >   available to the other sibling and this effect does not necessarily end
> >   once the activated sibling becomes idle: after the ILB finishes and its
> >   CPU enters WFI, full single-thread performance is restored only after the
> >   sibling has remained idle for a qualification interval (10 Ki cycles on
> >   the tested Vera system).
> > 
> > That change prevents the NOHZ idle load balancer from unnecessarily waking
> > a sibling of a busy PE. However, ordinary task placement can still select
> > either sibling of an idle core and repeated changes of the active PE can
> > keep Olympus cores in two-thread mode despite little or no useful overlap
> > between the siblings.
> > 
> > This series makes PE0 the preferred sibling of an Olympus core using
> > SD_ASYM_PACKING and teaches the fair scheduler's idle-selection paths to
> > honor asymmetric SMT priority. The scheduler first selects a candidate CPU
> > and core according to its existing placement and capacity rules, then
> > chooses the highest-priority available sibling within that core. The
> > generic scheduler behavior is enabled only when an architecture supplies
> > an SD_ASYM_PACKING SMT domain.
> > 
> > PE0 and PE1 have equal steady-state capacity, the preference does not
> > identify a faster PE. PE0 is used only as a canonical choice when both
> > siblings are available. Consistently selecting the same sibling avoids
> > alternating the active PE across wakeups, lets PE1 remain idle for longer,
> > and allows more cores to remain in, or return to, full-resource
> > single-thread mode.
> > 
> > The series was tested on a two-node Vera system using an 88-thread
> > single-precision GEMM on the 88 physical cores of NUMA node 0.
> > 
> > With the workload allowed to choose either sibling of every core, observed
> > throughput improved from approximately 9.4 TFLOP/s on the baseline kernel
> > to approximately 10.1 TFLOP/s with this series applied. Repeated runs also
> > became more predictable because the workload consistently settled on PE0
> > while PE1 remained quiet.
> > 
> > Changes in v5:
> >  - Remove the redundant olympus_prefer_pe0 state (K Prateek Nayak)
> >  - Link to v4: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260908082345.103087-1-arighi@nvidia.com
> 
> My replies failed to keep up with your speed on iterations :-)

Haha, sorry about that! :D

> 
> Since this is same as v4 and I had taken it for a spin on a
> x86 and an ARM64 server, feel free to include:
> 
> Reviewed-by: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
> Tested-by: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>

And thanks!

-Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-09  6:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-09  6:26 Andrea Righi
2026-09-09  6:26 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm64: topology: Prefer PE0 on NVIDIA Olympus SMT cores Andrea Righi
2026-09-09 15:19   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-09-09 16:17     ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-10 10:11       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-09-11  9:11         ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-11 14:15           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-09-09 15:34   ` Will Deacon
2026-09-09 16:07     ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-10  8:53       ` Will Deacon
2026-09-11  6:50         ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-09  6:26 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Honor asymmetric SMT priority in idle selection Andrea Righi
2026-09-11 14:11   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-09-09  6:36 ` [PATCH v5 0/2] sched: Enable preferred SMT siblings on NVIDIA Olympus K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-09  6:41   ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2026-09-09 13:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 15:36   ` Will Deacon
2026-09-09 21:51     ` Peter Zijlstra

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