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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 20/21] kbuild: build rust crates in parallel with the rest of the build
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2026 12:58:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqkv9SqIdh0qKPFc@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202609141133.7CA979C89@keescook>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2026 at 11:37:54AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2026 at 10:22:19AM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> > Care is taken to ensure that external rust modules can still be built
> > against the tree - make modules_prepare ... (where ... are other goals)
> > will build rust/ first.
> > [...]
> >  prepare: prepare0
> >  ifdef CONFIG_RUST
> >  	+$(Q)$(CONFIG_SHELL) $(srctree)/scripts/rust_is_available.sh
> > -	$(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=rust
> >  endif
> >
> >  PHONY += remove-stale-files
> > @@ -1760,6 +1763,12 @@ modules: modules_prepare
> >  # Target to prepare building external modules
> >  modules_prepare: prepare
> >  	$(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=scripts scripts/module.lds
> > +ifdef CONFIG_RUST
> > +# Ensure rust/ is built before any external rust module which will rely upon it.
> > +ifneq ($(filter modules_prepare,$(MAKECMDGOALS)),)
> > +	$(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=rust
> > +endif
> > +endif
>
> As far as I can see, nothing orders this recipe against the tree build,
> which also descends into rust/ through "obj-$(CONFIG_RUST) += rust/"
> in Kbuild, while $(build-dir) only depends on prepare. Before this
> patch that was fine, because prepare had already built rust/ by the
> time either of them ran. Now "make -jN modules_prepare all" can have
> two make processes building rust/ at the same time, and so can
> "make -jN rustdoc all" or "make -jN rusttest all", whose recipes also
> run "$(MAKE) $(build)=rust". That means two rustc runs writing the same
> objects in rust/ ...

Ack.

It seems make can't order two independent sub-makes, so will change the patch so
it skips the modules_prepare rust build when a goal that builds the tree* is
present, as they all descend into rust/ themselves.

I checked the change against:

	$ make modules_prepare
	$ make modules_prepare scripts
	$ make -j128 modules_prepare all

+ confirmed they all built rust/ once only for each.

* LLM says: all, vmlinux, modules, image targets, dtbs, rustdoc, rusttest

So, fixed in v3 :)

>
> > +# Rust code elsewhere in the tree depends upon rust/.
> > +ifdef CONFIG_RUST
> > +$(KBUILD_RUST_DIRS): | rust
> > +endif
> > [...]
> > +export KBUILD_RUST_DIRS := drivers lib mm samples
>
> Doesn't this make all of drivers/, lib/, mm/ and samples/ wait for rust/?
> That's a lot of stall: drivers/ is most of the tree. I think then a
> CONFIG_RUST build has most of its C work waiting on the rust chain;
> only the other top-level directories start early? This didn't create new
> build delays for those configurations?

Yeah good point.

For a defconfig+rust clean build on 128 threads the other top-level directories
were done at ~14s while rust ran to ~18.6s, so there was 4-5 of idle.

However the patch improves things by net -3.9s regardless.

This is really only a big box issue though. With fewer threads the rest of the
tree takes longer so it has no impact on the build.

(An aside - this kind of trade-off is what the series is all about really - the
 'serial tail' - i.e. the single threaded stuff that _overlaps_ the end of the
 build is what slows you down.)

Since this _still_ gives you a significant speed up on bigger boxes, I think
it's fine as-is.

The LLM says a fix for this would need significant work - a cross-instance lock
and an on-demand rust/ build. So I think best as a follow-up?

>
> --
> Kees Cook

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-15 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-14  9:21 [PATCH v2 00/21] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 01/21] kbuild: do not allocate .modinfo in vmlinux Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 02/21] kallsyms: index symbols by token to speed up table compression Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 03/21] kallsyms: output binary data to speed output and kallsyms assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 20:16   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 21:44     ` David Laight
2026-09-15  7:10       ` [v2 " Markus Elfring
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 04/21] kbuild: do not sort nm output where the order is irrelevant Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 05/21] kbuild: only emit vmlinux relocations when required Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 06/21] elf-parse: add section flags, symbol binding and a read-only mapping Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 07/21] kallsyms: reimplement mksysmap in C Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 16:33   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 16:54   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 17:01   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 08/21] kbuild: cache list, composite object state per object Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 09/21] kbuild: implement and use depcheck to check dependency timestamps Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 10/21] kbuild: move the toolchain checks into init/Kconfig.toolchain Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 11/21] kbuild: avoid re-running compiler and linker probes Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 15:02   ` John Stoffel
2026-09-14 15:24     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:01       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 12/21] modpost: cache section relocation mismatch state Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 13/21] modpost: emit module descriptors as assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 14/21] kbuild: batch module finalisation Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:00   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 10:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 16:49       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 17:54         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 17:56         ` Nick Desaulniers
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 15/21] objtool: cache relocations, do less work Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 19:44   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-14 20:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-14 22:23       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-14 22:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-15 12:24           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 12:19     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 16/21] objtool: size the instruction hash to the text Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 17/21] objtool: decode instructions and resolve branch targets in parallel Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:20   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 10:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:29       ` David Laight
2026-09-15 15:04         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 18/21] kbuild: rust: optionally parallelise rustc front end Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:32   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 11:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:16       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15  6:32   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-15 11:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 19/21] rust: make exports.o depend on the headers generated for it Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 20/21] kbuild: build rust crates in parallel with the rest of the build Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:37   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 11:58     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-09-15 16:52       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 21/21] kbuild: use pigz for gzip compression if available Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 16:39   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 16:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-09-14 17:50       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 14:30     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 17:31       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 17:47         ` Nick Desaulniers
2026-09-15 18:02           ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-14 15:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/21] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Kees Cook
2026-09-14 15:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-15  8:53     ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-15 11:35       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:25   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:43     ` Kees Cook

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