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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 17/21] objtool: decode instructions and resolve branch targets in parallel
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:04:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqlau0-opF8yG-JU@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260915122959.2348bf90@pumpkin>

On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 12:29:59PM +0100, David Laight wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 11:09:25 +0100
> "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > > > +static unsigned int decode_threads(unsigned long text_size)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	const long nr_cpus = sysconf(_SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN);
> > > > +
> > > > +	if (text_size < DECODE_THREADED_MIN_TEXT || nr_cpus < 2)
> > > > +		return 1;
>
> The text_size check ought to be before the sysconf() call.

This is bordering on a silly level of micro-optimisation :)

This is ~us runtime, run once. We can live with it.

>
> > > > +
> > > > +	return min_t(unsigned int, nr_cpus, DECODE_MAX_THREADS);
>
> Why min_t() -  you might as well make nr_cpus 'unsigned int'.

Except... sysconf() returns a long and -1 on error. Isn't min_t()
explicitly for cases like this?

>
> > > > +}
> > >
> > > No, anything using _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN internally is wrong, whether its
> > > pigz or objtool.
> >
> > Why? We shouldn't cap a 4 CPU box to 4 CPUs?
>
> You almost certainly don't want to use more...
> (Unless they end up waiting for disk)

Yup on the former.

>
> >
> > The idea is that the empirically obtained 16 core limit should naturally be
> > capped to the number of CPUs.
>
> The 'empirical' limit is very likely to be system dependant.

This same objection could be made against literally anything I do or do not
do, it's a little silly.

Every single cap like this is heuristic and limited. In any case - for
smaller machines, the cap will be CPU count, on larger machines 16 CPUs is
where there stops being an noticeable benefit.

Other solutions are strictly worse, this is a sensible, practical
engineering solution.

> There might also be situations where you don't want the build to run as fast
> as possible because the system is performing other workloads.

Umm what? It's 2026, schedulers are pretty good now :)

In any case with the changes here objtool doesn't dominate the runtime, so
it'll have little impact. So run make j=1 to your heart's content :)

> (Not to mention if you have had to add tracing to find a bug.)

This is almost an argument against parallelism in general.

>
> >
> > I guess in a world where make hands jobs off this could be dropped, though,
> > if the complexity there seems worthwhile.
>
> You need to pull tokens out of the make pipe :-)

Thanks, I understand what's required, as I said to Kees there's simply no
benefit for the added complexity.

Series like this can die by 1,000 cuts with all the nitpicks and what if's,
let's focus on the _significant_ improvements introduced here and keep
things in perspective please!

>
> David
>

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-15 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-14  9:21 [PATCH v2 00/21] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 01/21] kbuild: do not allocate .modinfo in vmlinux Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 02/21] kallsyms: index symbols by token to speed up table compression Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 03/21] kallsyms: output binary data to speed output and kallsyms assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 20:16   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 21:44     ` David Laight
2026-09-15  7:10       ` [v2 " Markus Elfring
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 04/21] kbuild: do not sort nm output where the order is irrelevant Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 05/21] kbuild: only emit vmlinux relocations when required Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 06/21] elf-parse: add section flags, symbol binding and a read-only mapping Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 07/21] kallsyms: reimplement mksysmap in C Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 16:33   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 16:54   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14 17:01   ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 08/21] kbuild: cache list, composite object state per object Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 09/21] kbuild: implement and use depcheck to check dependency timestamps Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 10/21] kbuild: move the toolchain checks into init/Kconfig.toolchain Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 11/21] kbuild: avoid re-running compiler and linker probes Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 15:02   ` John Stoffel
2026-09-14 15:24     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:01       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 12/21] modpost: cache section relocation mismatch state Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 13/21] modpost: emit module descriptors as assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 14/21] kbuild: batch module finalisation Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:00   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 10:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 15/21] objtool: cache relocations, do less work Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 19:44   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-14 20:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-14 22:23       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-14 22:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-15 12:24           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 12:19     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 16/21] objtool: size the instruction hash to the text Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 17/21] objtool: decode instructions and resolve branch targets in parallel Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:20   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 10:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:29       ` David Laight
2026-09-15 15:04         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 18/21] kbuild: rust: optionally parallelise rustc front end Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:32   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 11:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15 11:16       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-15  6:32   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-15 11:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 19/21] rust: make exports.o depend on the headers generated for it Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 20/21] kbuild: build rust crates in parallel with the rest of the build Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:37   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 11:58     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14  9:22 ` [PATCH v2 21/21] kbuild: use pigz for gzip compression if available Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 16:39   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-14 16:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-09-14 17:50       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-15 14:30     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 15:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/21] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Kees Cook
2026-09-14 15:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-15  8:53     ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-09-15 11:35       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:25   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-14 18:43     ` Kees Cook

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