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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	 Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
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	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>,
	Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
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	 Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	David Disseldorp <ddiss@suse.de>,
	 Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	 "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	 "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" <brauner@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2026 09:45:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <at8bmyc_iRmy6mo4@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <345522644.2279143.1792963950889@kpc.webmail.kpnmail.nl>

On Sun, Oct 25, 2026 at 10:32:30PM +0100, Jori Koolstra wrote:
> There's a striking parallel with the mathematics community in this regard.
> They are dealing with a similar problem where the old way used to be you
> make a name for yourself by proving a hard theorem (Linux equivalent:
> you make a name for yourself with sweeping patchsets.) That does not
> really work as well anymore as a signal for competency (at least in maths):
>
> "Among the mathematicians I have spoken with, the prevailing sentiment
> is that this traditional mechanism of recognition has effectively collapsed
> in a matter of weeks. A strong mathematical result, by itself, can no
> longer be taken as convincing evidence of a student’s independent
> mathematical abilities."[1]

The kernel isn't quite there yet, I get to see a lot of low-effort AI
submissions and they are near-universally terrible, even if they fix a real
bug, for instance.

Personally, I question whether LLMs will ever get there. They really
struggle with good code, architecture, the longer-term picture, etc.

But predicting the future of LLMs is... unwise :)

> Would it be worthwhile to organize some sort of informal discussion on
> what such channels might be and how they can be organized in an
> LLM-resistant fashion? It would be interesting and useful to share and
> collect ideas on how the talent pipeline should take shape in the
> LLM-era, so that the community can ensure, also in the future, that
> talented and motivated people are continued to be brought in and not
> drowned out by slop or other unwanted hurdles, such as having access to
> very expensive tooling (a concern that I share with Laurent.)
>
> You and Ted have views on this; Shuah runs the kernel mentorship program;
> and I know Greg also helps people get exposed to the kernel through
> various means. Then there's GSoC and Outreachy, etc.
>
> I guess a lot of these people will be at LSFMMBPF?

I'm always more than happy to discuss things! And in-person beats on-list
every time :)

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-26  9:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-09  8:31 Sasha Levin
2026-10-09  9:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-09 10:09   ` Sasha Levin
2026-10-09 10:05 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-10-09 10:24   ` Greg KH
2026-10-09 15:20   ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-10-11  1:04     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12 15:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 11:19     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 12:38       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:50         ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:01           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:24         ` Ricardo B. Marlière (SUSE)
2026-10-13 12:49       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 17:16         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:31     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:59       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:04         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-10-13 13:07           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:12         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:29           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:37             ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 14:52             ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 14:54               ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 14:58               ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 17:12                 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 17:42                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 19:25                     ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 20:16                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 20:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-14 13:56                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-16 14:19                             ` Matthew Brost
2026-10-17 17:42                               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2026-10-19 17:41                           ` lyude
2026-10-14 18:47                         ` Kees Cook
2026-10-15 23:14                           ` Jeremy Dean Clifton
2026-10-13 15:02               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 16:58                 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 17:32             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-16 16:14               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-20 21:15                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-21  2:54                   ` Theodore Tso
2026-10-21 16:21                     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2026-10-23 16:44                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-25 21:32                     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-26  9:45                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-10-14  3:23             ` Theodore Tso
2026-10-14 11:23               ` Mark Brown
2026-10-14 13:08               ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-14 13:42               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-14 14:15                 ` Mark Brown
2026-10-19 22:44                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-20  4:28                   ` Theodore Tso
2026-10-19 16:32               ` lyude
2026-10-21 16:07                 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2026-10-26 19:04                   ` lyude
2026-10-26 19:39                     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-26 19:53                       ` Joshua Peisach
2026-10-26 20:24                       ` lyude
2026-10-26 21:29                       ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-19 22:24               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-19 16:26             ` lyude
2026-10-16 18:26           ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-10-19 16:21           ` lyude
2026-10-13  4:24 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13  5:56   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-10-13  6:18     ` Greg KH
2026-10-13  8:25     ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 12:28       ` [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by reference Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 12:55         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:03           ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:10             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:20               ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:55                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-19 16:50                 ` lyude
2026-10-13 15:18           ` Mark Brown
2026-10-13 17:07             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 20:01               ` Shuah Khan
2026-10-19 16:15         ` lyude
2026-10-22 13:20           ` Troy Benjegerdes
2026-10-23 17:36             ` lyude
2026-10-26 19:58 ` [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references Joshua Peisach

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