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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf.kernel@gmail.com>
To: "Björn Töpel" <bjorn@kernel.org>
Cc: Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
	 Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
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	 Stuart Clark <stuclar@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v1 03/11] xdp: Copy buffers with restricted lifetime
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2026 15:05:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avT0b5T5trWZXAMo@devvm16445.scu0.facebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eccra46g.fsf@all.your.base.are.belong.to.us>

On 11/11, Björn Töpel wrote:
> Stanislav Fomichev <sdf.kernel@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On 11/10, Björn Töpel wrote:
> 
> >> diff --git a/include/net/xdp.h b/include/net/xdp.h
> >> index 07231adfb5f8..1105bb9e3292 100644
> >> --- a/include/net/xdp.h
> >> +++ b/include/net/xdp.h
> >> @@ -81,6 +81,16 @@ enum xdp_buff_flags {
> >>  	 * XDP program is not attached.
> >>  	 */
> >>  	XDP_FLAGS_FRAGS_UNREADABLE	= BIT(2),
> >> +	/* Internal: the head netmem and the shared info are in &xdp_buff.ext.
> >> +	 * Not copied to xdp_frames or skbs.
> >> +	 */
> >> +	XDP_FLAGS_EXT			= BIT(3),
> >> +};
> >> +
> >> +/* For a head buffer that cannot hold kernel data, see xdp_init_buff_netmem() */
> >> +struct xdp_buff_ext {
> >> +	netmem_ref netmem;
> >
> > nit: netmem -> head ? and the same for xdp_init_buff_netmem netmem arg?
> 
> Yup, will fix.
> 
> >> @@ -138,7 +153,7 @@ static __always_inline void xdp_buff_set_frag_unreadable(struct xdp_buff *xdp)
> >>  
> >>  static __always_inline u32 xdp_buff_get_skb_flags(const struct xdp_buff *xdp)
> >>  {
> >> -	return xdp->flags;
> >> +	return xdp->flags & ~XDP_FLAGS_EXT;
> >
> > The only consumer is xdp_update_skb_frags_info, so probably not worth
> > filtering out XDP_FLAGS_EXT here? Or is it for
> > xdp_update_frame_from_buff? Can we explicitly clear it at the caller? 
> 
> It was for xdp_update_frame_from_buff(), but looking closer EXT never
> gets there...
> 
> I'll drop the mask. Thanks!
> 
> >> diff --git a/net/core/devmem.c b/net/core/devmem.c
> >> index 8f190b574beb..dea4a4a17e86 100644
> >> --- a/net/core/devmem.c
> >> +++ b/net/core/devmem.c
> >> @@ -698,5 +698,5 @@ static const struct memory_provider_ops dmabuf_devmem_ops = {
> >>  	.release_netmem		= mp_dmabuf_devmem_release_page,
> >>  	.nl_fill		= mp_dmabuf_devmem_nl_fill,
> >>  	.uninstall		= mp_dmabuf_devmem_uninstall,
> >> -	.caps			= MP_CAP_FRAG,
> >> +	.caps			= MP_CAP_FRAG | MP_CAP_RETAIN,
> >
> > Not sure I understand this part, can you explain?
> > These are MP_CAP_RETAIN because they are unreadable?
> 
> No, RETAIN is about lifetime: the stack may hold page pool references
> after the RX poll, e.g. skbs on a TCP receive queue. That's how devmem
> and zcrx work; without it the stack would try to copy them, and they'd
> trip the DEBUG_NET check in skb_add_rx_frag_netmem().
> 
> A provider without RETAIN gets copied, so it must be readable. I'll try
> to make that more clear in the kdoc, and probably refuse a provider that
> is neither.

Ah, yes, thanks, I did miss that warn in skb_add_rx_frag_netme, makes sense!

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-11 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-10 10:20 [PATCH net-next v1 00/11] xsk: Zero copy through page-pool memory providers Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 01/11] net: Get skb fragment addresses through netmem Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 02/11] net: Add memory provider capabilities Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 22:19   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 12:41     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 23:01       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 03/11] xdp: Copy buffers with restricted lifetime Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 22:32   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 13:27     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 23:05       ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 04/11] xsk: Allocate UMEM chunks through page_pool Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 15:08   ` Magnus Karlsson
2026-11-11 13:51     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 23:02   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 13:59     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 23:09       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 05/11] xsk: Install UMEM page pool providers in the core Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 23:50   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 14:01     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11  8:59   ` Magnus Karlsson
2026-11-11 19:26     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 06/11] page_pool: Coordinate refill with memory providers Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 23:51   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 19:37     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 23:13       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 07/11] xsk: Deliver provider chunks without copying Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-11 23:20   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 08/11] eth: fbnic: Support XDP redirect Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 09/11] eth: fbnic: Use netmem for RX headers and XDP_TX Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 10/11] eth: fbnic: Support RX buffers it cannot split Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 21:45   ` Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 11/11] eth: fbnic: Support AF_XDP page pool zero copy Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko

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