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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
Cc: Daniel Wagner <dwagner@suse.de>, Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] nvme-tcp: Check if request has started before processing it
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 17:53:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b626504c-3427-e8a5-3502-e44a9e79a006@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210301160547.GB17228@redsun51.ssa.fujisawa.hgst.com>

On 3/1/21 5:05 PM, Keith Busch wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 02:55:30PM +0100, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
>> On 3/1/21 2:26 PM, Daniel Wagner wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 02:19:01AM +0900, Keith Busch wrote:
>>>> Crashing is bad, silent data corruption is worse. Is there truly no
>>>> defense against that? If not, why should anyone rely on this?
>>>
>>> If we receive an response for which we don't have a started request, we
>>> know that something is wrong. Couldn't we in just reset the connection
>>> in this case? We don't have to pretend nothing has happened and
>>> continuing normally. This would avoid a host crash and would not create
>>> (more) data corruption. Or I am just too naive?
>>>
>> This is actually a sensible solution.
>> Please send a patch for that.
> 
> Is a bad frame a problem that can be resolved with a reset?
> 
> Even if so, the reset doesn't indicate to the user if previous commands
> completed with bad data, so it still seems unreliable.
> 
We need to distinguish two cases here.
The one is use receiving a frame with an invalid tag, leading to a 
crash. This can be easily resolved by issuing a reset, as clearly the 
command was garbage and we need to invoke error handling (which is reset).

The other case is us receiving a frame with a _duplicate_ tag, ie a tag 
which is _currently_ valid. This is a case which will fail _even now_, 
as we have simply no way of detecting this.

So what again do we miss by fixing the first case?
Apart from a system which does _not_ crash?

Cheers,

Hannes
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-01 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-12 18:17 Daniel Wagner
2021-02-12 20:58 ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-02-12 21:09   ` Keith Busch
2021-02-12 21:49     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-02-13  8:46       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-02-15 10:40         ` Daniel Wagner
2021-02-15 21:29           ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-02-26 12:35             ` Daniel Wagner
2021-02-26 12:54               ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-02-26 16:13                 ` Keith Busch
2021-02-26 16:42                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-02-26 17:19                     ` Keith Busch
2021-03-01 13:26                       ` Daniel Wagner
2021-03-01 13:55                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-03-01 16:05                           ` Keith Busch
2021-03-01 16:53                             ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2021-03-01 20:59                               ` Keith Busch
2021-03-02  7:18                                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-03-02 18:45                                   ` Keith Busch
2021-02-15 21:23         ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-02-16  8:51           ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-02-13  8:42 ` Hannes Reinecke

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