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From: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
To: Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Fenghua Yu <fenghuay@nvidia.com>,
	"Maciej Wieczor-Retman" <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>,
	Peter Newman <peternewman@google.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Babu Moger <babu.moger@amd.com>,
	Drew Fustini <dfustini@baylibre.com>,
	Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>,
	Anil Keshavamurthy <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Cc: <x86@kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<patches@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/29] x86/resctrl telemetry monitoring
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 10:21:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8ddce03-65c0-4420-b30d-e43c54943667@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250521225049.132551-1-tony.luck@intel.com>

Hi Tony,

On 5/21/25 3:50 PM, Tony Luck wrote:
> Background
> ----------
> 
> Telemetry features are being implemented in conjunction with the
> IA32_PQR_ASSOC.RMID value on each logical CPU. This is used to send
> counts for various events to a collector in a nearby OOBMSM device to be

(could you please expand what "OOBMSM" means somewhere?)

> accumulated with counts for each <RMID, event> pair received from other
> CPUs. Cores send event counts when the RMID value changes, or after each
> 2ms elapsed time.

Could you please use consistent terminology? The short paragraph above
uses "logical CPU", "CPU", and "core" seemingly interchangeably and that is
confusing since these terms mean different things on x86 (re.
Documentation/arch/x86/topology.rst). (more below)

> 
> Each OOBMSM device may implement multiple event collectors with each
> servicing a subset of the logical CPUs on a package.  In the initial

("logical CPU" ... but seems to be used in same context as "core" in
first paragraph?)

> hardware implementation, there are two categories of events: energy
> and perf.
> 
> 1) Energy - Two counters
> core_energy: This is an estimate of Joules consumed by each core. It is
> calculated based on the types of instructions executed, not from a power
> meter. This counter is useful to understand how much energy a workload
> is consuming.

With RMIDs being per logical CPU it is not obvious to me how these
events should be treated since most of them are described as core events. 

If the RMID is per logical CPU and the events are per core then how should
the counters be interpreted? Would the user, for example, need to set CPU
affinity to ensure only tasks within same monitor group are run on the same
cores? How else can it be ensured the data reflects the monitor group it
is reported for?

> activity: This measures "accumulated dynamic capacitance". Users who
> want to optimize energy consumption for a workload may use this rather
> than core_energy because it provides consistent results independent of
> any frequency or voltage changes that may occur during the runtime of
> the application (e.g. entry/exit from turbo mode).

(No scope for this event.)

> 
> 2) Performance - Seven counters
> These are similar events to those available via the Linux "perf" tool,
> but collected in a way with much lower overhead (no need to collect data
> on every context switch).
> 
> stalls_llc_hit - Counts the total number of unhalted core clock cycles
> when the core is stalled due to a demand load miss which hit in the LLC

(core scope)

> 
> c1_res - Counts the total C1 residency across all cores. The underlying
> counter increments on 100MHz clock ticks

("across all cores" ... package scope?)

> 
> unhalted_core_cycles - Counts the total number of unhalted core clock
> cycles

(core)

> 
> stalls_llc_miss - Counts the total number of unhalted core clock cycles
> when the core is stalled due to a demand load miss which missed all the
> local caches

(core)

> 
> c6_res - Counts the total C6 residency. The underlying counter increments
> on crystal clock (25MHz) ticks
> 
> unhalted_ref_cycles - Counts the total number of unhalted reference clock
> (TSC) cycles
> 
> uops_retired - Counts the total number of uops retired

(no scope in descriptions of the above)

> 
> The counters are arranged in groups in MMIO space of the OOBMSM device.
> E.g. for the energy counters the layout is:
> 
> Offset: Counter
> 0x00	core energy for RMID 0
> 0x08	core activity for RMID 0
> 0x10	core energy for RMID 1
> 0x18	core activity for RMID 1
> ...

Does seems to hint that counters/events are always per core (but the descriptions
do not always reflect that) while RMID is per logical-CPU. 

Reinette

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-28 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-21 22:50 Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 01/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Consolidate monitor event descriptions Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:25   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-04 16:33     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-04 18:24       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 02/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Replace architecture event enabled checks Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:26   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 03/29] x86/resctrl: Remove 'rdt_mon_features' global variable Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:27   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 04/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Prepare for more monitor events Tony Luck
2025-05-23  9:00   ` Peter Newman
2025-05-23 15:57     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-04  3:29   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-07  0:45   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 21:59     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 05/29] x86/rectrl: Fake OOBMSM interface Tony Luck
2025-05-23 23:38   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-27 20:25     ` [PATCH v5 05/29 UPDATED] x86/resctrl: " Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 06/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Improve domain type checking Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:31   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-04 22:58     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-04 23:40       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 07/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Rename some L3 specific functions Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 08/29] x86/resctrl: Move L3 initialization out of domain_add_cpu_mon() Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 09/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Refactor domain_remove_cpu_mon() ready for new domain types Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 10/29] x86/resctrl: Change generic domain functions to use struct rdt_domain_hdr Tony Luck
2025-05-22  0:01   ` Keshavamurthy, Anil S
2025-05-22  0:15     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-04  3:37   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-07  0:52   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 22:02     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 11/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Rename struct rdt_mon_domain and rdt_hw_mon_domain Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:40   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 12/29] fs/resctrl: Make event details accessible to functions when reading events Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 13/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Handle events that can be read from any CPU Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 14/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Support binary fixed point event counters Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:49   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-06 16:25     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-06 16:56       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-10 15:16         ` Dave Martin
2025-06-10 15:54           ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-12 16:19             ` Dave Martin
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 15/29] fs/resctrl: Add an architectural hook called for each mount Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:49   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 16/29] x86/resctrl: Add and initialize rdt_resource for package scope core monitor Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 17/29] x86/resctrl: Discover hardware telemetry events Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:53   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 18/29] x86/resctrl: Count valid telemetry aggregators per package Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:54   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 19/29] x86/resctrl: Complete telemetry event enumeration Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:05   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 20/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Fill in details of Clearwater Forest events Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:57   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-07  0:57   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 22:05     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 21/29] x86/resctrl: x86/resctrl: Read core telemetry events Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:02   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 22/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Handle domain creation/deletion for RDT_RESOURCE_PERF_PKG Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:06   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-07  0:54   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 22:03     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 23/29] x86/resctrl: Enable RDT_RESOURCE_PERF_PKG Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 24/29] x86/resctrl: Add energy/perf choices to rdt boot option Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:10   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-06 23:55   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 21:52     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 25/29] x86/resctrl: Handle number of RMIDs supported by telemetry resources Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:13   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 26/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Move RMID initialization to first mount Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 27/29] fs/resctrl: Add file system mechanism for architecture info file Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:15   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-06  0:09     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-06 16:26       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-06 17:30         ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-06 21:14           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-09 18:49             ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-09 22:39               ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-09 23:34                 ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-10  0:30                   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-10 18:48                     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 28/29] x86/resctrl: Add info/PERF_PKG_MON/status file Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 29/29] x86/resctrl: Update Documentation for package events Tony Luck
2025-05-28 17:21 ` Reinette Chatre [this message]
2025-05-28 21:38   ` [PATCH v5 00/29] x86/resctrl telemetry monitoring Luck, Tony
2025-05-28 22:21     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-13 16:57 ` James Morse
2025-06-13 18:50   ` Luck, Tony

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