From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>,
"Rich Felker" <dalias@aerifal.cx>,
"Torvald Riegel" <triegel@redhat.com>,
"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] futex: Introduce __vdso_robust_futex_unlock
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 08:17:57 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bace99d7-85f4-4e09-8077-e9110b9dadc7@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260313121259.XYZi8U-j@linutronix.de>
On 2026-03-13 08:12, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2026-03-12 18:52:43 [-0400], Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> On 2026-03-12 18:23, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 11 2026 at 14:54, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> [...]
>>>
>>> TBH, all of this is completely overengineered and tasteless bloat.
>>>
>>> The exactly same thing can be achieved by doing the obvious:
>>>
>>> struct robust_list_head2 {
>>> struct robust_list_head rhead;
>>> u32 unlock_val;
>>> };
>>>
>>> // User space
>>> unlock(futex)
>>> {
>>> struct robust_list_head2 *h = ....;
>>>
>>> h->unlock_val = 0;
>>> h->rhead.list_op_pending = .... | FUTEX_ROBUST_UNLOCK;
>>>
>>> xchg(futex->uval, h->unlock_val);
>>
>> Here is the problem with your proposed approach:
>>
>> "XCHG — Exchange Register/Memory With Register"
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>
>> So only one of the xchg arguments can be a memory location.
>> Therefore, you will end up needing an extra store after xchg
>> to store the content of the result register into h->unlock_val.
>
> But can't we also assign a role to pthread_mutex_destroy() here? So it
> would ensure that the futex death cleanup did run for every task having
> access to this memory? So it is either 0 or pid-of-dead-task before this
> memory location can be used again?
I did propose this exact approach recently:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/bd7a8dd3-8dee-4886-abe6-bdda25fe4a0d@efficios.com/
but it's a far reaching change. Then I thought of using rseq to identify the
critical section:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/694424f4-20d1-4473-8955-859acbad466f@efficios.com/
And then Florian proposed to hide this under a vDSO:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/lhufr6ihelv.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com/
and here we are.
Thanks,
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-13 12:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-11 18:54 Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-11 20:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 8:49 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-12 13:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 14:12 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-12 14:14 ` André Almeida
2026-03-12 16:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 13:46 ` André Almeida
2026-03-12 14:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 18:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 18:58 ` André Almeida
2026-03-12 19:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-12 19:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-13 8:20 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-12 20:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-12 21:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 22:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-12 22:52 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-13 12:12 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-13 12:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2026-03-13 13:29 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-13 13:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 17:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 19:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 20:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 21:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 22:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 22:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 23:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-20 18:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-24 21:35 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-25 14:12 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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