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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"Rich Felker" <dalias@aerifal.cx>,
	"Torvald Riegel" <triegel@redhat.com>,
	"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] futex: Introduce __vdso_robust_futex_unlock
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 08:17:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bace99d7-85f4-4e09-8077-e9110b9dadc7@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260313121259.XYZi8U-j@linutronix.de>

On 2026-03-13 08:12, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2026-03-12 18:52:43 [-0400], Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> On 2026-03-12 18:23, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 11 2026 at 14:54, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> [...]
>>>
>>> TBH, all of this is completely overengineered and tasteless bloat.
>>>
>>> The exactly same thing can be achieved by doing the obvious:
>>>
>>> struct robust_list_head2 {
>>> 	struct robust_list_head		rhead;
>>>           u32				unlock_val;
>>> };
>>>
>>> // User space
>>> unlock(futex)
>>> {
>>>           struct robust_list_head2 *h = ....;
>>>
>>>           h->unlock_val = 0;
>>>           h->rhead.list_op_pending = .... | FUTEX_ROBUST_UNLOCK;
>>>
>>>           xchg(futex->uval, h->unlock_val);
>>
>> Here is the problem with your proposed approach:
>>
>>    "XCHG — Exchange Register/Memory With Register"
>>                                          ^^^^^^^^
>>
>> So only one of the xchg arguments can be a memory location.
>> Therefore, you will end up needing an extra store after xchg
>> to store the content of the result register into h->unlock_val.
> 
> But can't we also assign a role to pthread_mutex_destroy() here? So it
> would ensure that the futex death cleanup did run for every task having
> access to this memory? So it is either 0 or pid-of-dead-task before this
> memory location can be used again?

I did propose this exact approach recently:

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/bd7a8dd3-8dee-4886-abe6-bdda25fe4a0d@efficios.com/

but it's a far reaching change. Then I thought of using rseq to identify the
critical section:

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/694424f4-20d1-4473-8955-859acbad466f@efficios.com/

And then Florian proposed to hide this under a vDSO:

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/lhufr6ihelv.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com/

and here we are.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-13 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-11 18:54 Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-11 20:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12  8:49 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-12 13:13   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 14:12     ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-12 14:14       ` André Almeida
2026-03-12 16:09         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 13:46 ` André Almeida
2026-03-12 14:04   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 18:40     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 18:58       ` André Almeida
2026-03-12 19:10     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-12 19:16       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-13  8:20         ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-12 20:19   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-12 21:28     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-12 22:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-12 22:52   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-13 12:12     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-13 12:17       ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2026-03-13 13:29         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-13 13:35           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 17:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 19:36       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 20:27         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 21:01           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 22:19             ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 22:30               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 23:29                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-20 18:13                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-24 21:35                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-25 14:12                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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