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From: Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, paulus@samba.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, perfmon2-devel@lists.sf.net,
	eranian@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] perf_events: improve x86 event scheduling (v5)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:12:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bd4cb8901001180612g29369150h9db09470fa6000af@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1263822898.4283.558.camel@laptop>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 14:43 +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>>
>> Shouldn't we actually use the core based pmu->enable(),disable()
>> model called from kernel/perf_event.c:event_sched_in(),
>> like every other events, where we can fill up the queue of hardware
>> events to be scheduled, and then call a hw_check_constraints()
>> when we finish a group scheduling?
>
> Well the thing that makes hw_perf_group_sched_in() useful is that you
> can add a bunch of events and not have to reschedule for each one, but
> instead do a single schedule pass.
>
That's right.

> That said you do have a point, maybe we can express this particular
> thing differently.. maybe a pre and post group call like:
>
>  void hw_perf_group_sched_in_begin(struct pmu *pmu)
>  int  hw_perf_group_sched_in_end(struct pmu *pmu)
>
The issue with hw_perf_group_sched_in() is that because we do not know
when we are done scheduling, we have to defer actual activation until
hw_perf_enable(). But  we have to still mark the events as ACTIVE,
otherwise things go wrong in the generic layer and for non-PMU events.
That leads to partial duplication of event_sched_in()/event_sched_out()
in the PMU specific layer.

As Frederic pointed out, the more natural way would be to simply rely
on event_sched_in()/event_sched_out() and the rollback logic and just
drop hw_perf_group_sched_in() which is there as an optimization and
not for correctness. Scheduling can be done incrementally from the
event_sched_in() function.

> That way we know we need to track more state for rollback and can give
> the pmu implementation leeway to delay scheduling/availablility tests.
>
Rollback would still be handled by the generic code, wouldn't it?

> Paul, would that work for you too?
>
> Then there's still the question of having events of multiple hw pmus in
> a single group, I'd be perfectly fine with saying that's not allowed,
> what to others think?
>
I have seen requests for measuring both core and uncore PMU events
together for instance. It all depends on how uncore PMU will be managed.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-18 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-18  8:58 Stephane Eranian
2010-01-18 13:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 13:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:12     ` Stephane Eranian [this message]
2010-01-18 14:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:20     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 14:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:45         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 14:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 16:18             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 16:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 16:51                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 17:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 17:29                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 20:01                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 12:22                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 13:24                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 15:55                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-19 16:25                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-27 17:38                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-19 15:40                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-21 10:08           ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 10:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 10:21               ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 10:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 10:38                   ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 10:45             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-21 11:44               ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 12:02                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 14:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 14:53         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-18 14:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 16:22             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-21 10:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 10:43   ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 10:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 14:06       ` Stephane Eranian
2010-01-21 13:55 ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf: x86: Add support for the ANY bit tip-bot for Stephane Eranian
2010-01-29  9:26 ` [tip:perf/core] perf_events, x86: Improve x86 event scheduling tip-bot for Stephane Eranian

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