From: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
To: Shubhang <sh@gentwo.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
Beata Michalska <beata.michalska@arm.com>,
Elif Topuz <elif.topuz@arm.com>,
"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@kernel.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Randomize equally shallow slow-path candidates
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 08:47:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e11d588b-e597-4210-baa3-278eaeb0cf52@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <08339e62-1787-e203-569c-a7fd3026395f@gentwo.org>
On 9/16/26 20:43, Shubhang wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026, Christian Loehle wrote:
>
>> + } else if (!idle || idle->exit_latency == min_exit_latency) {
>> + nr_candidates++;
>> + if (nr_candidates == 1 ||
>> + !reciprocal_scale(sched_rng(), nr_candidates))
>> + shallowest_idle_cpu = i;
>
> available_idle_cpu(i) ensures that this is an idle CPU, but !idle means that no active cpuidle state, meaning no exit latency is available for comparison.
>
> [PATCH 1/2] treats such a CPU as a fallback i.e. it is selected only when no idle candidate has been found yet. Here it becomes an equal reservoir candidate, even after selecting a CPU with the minimum known exit latency. That is, it is added to the random selection pool and can replace shallowest_idle_cpu.
>
> Is that intentional ? If not, should reservoir sampling be limited to
> candidates with `idle->exit_latency == min_exit_latency`, while retaining the first !idle CPU only as the fallback?
Hi Shubhang,
Thanks for taking a look. Including !idle candidates was intentional,
although you're right that this changes their treatment.
I think there's a case for giving NULL a zero ranking. With a working
cpuidle driver, NULL can mean the CPU is preparing for entry or finishing
after exit, making it a good low-latency candidate.
Architecture fallbacks are also reasonable candidates AFAICS.
In any case, I'd prefer to address that separately (perhaps through a
helper in the idle/cpuidle code rather than embedding those assumptions
in fair.c and will drop !idle CPUs competing with min_exit_latency CPUs,
the patch doesn't need it.
Thanks!
Christian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-17 7:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-16 10:01 [PATCH 0/2] sched/fair: Randomize equally shallow idle CPU picks Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 10:01 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Drop idle recency from slow-path CPU selection Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 10:01 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Randomize equally shallow slow-path candidates Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 11:06 ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-09-16 11:10 ` Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 11:12 ` Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 11:46 ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-09-16 19:43 ` Shubhang
2026-09-17 7:47 ` Christian Loehle [this message]
2026-09-17 9:58 ` Christian Loehle
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