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From: Kayra Cizmeci <kayracizmeci@gmail.com>
To: christian.loehle@arm.com
Cc: beata.michalska@arm.com, cl@gentwo.org,
	daniel.lezcano@kernel.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	elif.topuz@arm.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	kprateek.nayak@amd.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	rafael@kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, sh@gentwo.org,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, vschneid@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Randomize equally shallow slow-path candidates
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2026 14:06:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260916110603.24230-1-kayracizmeci@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260916100116.701206-3-christian.loehle@arm.com>

Hello Christian :>

> Picking the first eligible idle CPU leaves a scan-order bias. Concurrent
> slow-path selectors can choose the same CPU before either task is enqueued.

> Use reservoir sampling in the tie branch, resetting the candidate count
> when a lower advertised exit latency is found. Use the per-CPU scheduler
> PRNG and reciprocal_scale() to avoid variable division or a second scan.

> This reduces deterministic convergence without reserving the chosen CPU.

OK. 

But, your test platform was 160 Cores too. I don't think randomization has the same effect on lower
CPU systems.

Let's create a scenario:

On a 80 Core System, that %50 of it's CPU's are idle the randomization's chance of choosing the same CPU
is low. Since there are 40 CPU's to choose from.

But on a 8 Core System in the same idle conditions, randomization's chance of choosing the same CPU
is really higher. Since there are only 4 CPU's to choose from.

I think this solution works better on higher CPU counted systems. 

And I don't think it fully removes the issue. Just better than the original tho.
Thinks can still go bad on this one too, just harder.

Maybe we could add a fallback. Because the real concern is the selected CPU's state
changes when we come to enqueue. If possible tho, I did not really test anything.

Thanks,
Kayra :>>>

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-16 11:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-16 10:01 [PATCH 0/2] sched/fair: Randomize equally shallow idle CPU picks Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 10:01 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Drop idle recency from slow-path CPU selection Christian Loehle
2026-09-17 13:28   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-09-16 10:01 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Randomize equally shallow slow-path candidates Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 11:06   ` Kayra Cizmeci [this message]
2026-09-16 11:10     ` Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 11:12   ` Christian Loehle
2026-09-16 11:46     ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-09-16 19:43   ` Shubhang
2026-09-17  7:47     ` Christian Loehle
2026-09-17  9:58       ` Christian Loehle
2026-09-17 14:02         ` Vincent Guittot
2026-09-17 14:16         ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-09-17 14:08   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-09-17 14:22     ` Christian Loehle
2026-09-17 15:08       ` Vincent Guittot
2026-09-17 15:17         ` Christian Loehle
2026-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH 0/2] sched/fair: Randomize equally shallow idle CPU picks Muhammad Usama Anjum

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