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From: Matt Evans <matt@ozlabs.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, Alex Mastro <amastro@fb.com>
Cc: "Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Alex Williamson" <alex@shazbot.org>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Logan Gunthorpe" <logang@deltatee.com>,
	"Kevin Tian" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"Pranjal Shrivastava" <praan@google.com>,
	"Longfang Liu" <liulongfang@huawei.com>,
	"Mahmoud Adam" <mngyadam@amazon.de>,
	"David Matlack" <dmatlack@google.com>,
	"Björn Töpel" <bjorn@kernel.org>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	"Ankit Agrawal" <ankita@nvidia.com>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"Vivek Kasireddy" <vivek.kasireddy@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 9/9] vfio/pci: Permanently revoke a DMABUF on request
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 16:40:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e33f1d3a-1900-4bf3-9785-3af5447e7e54@ozlabs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260922225747.GB2545495@nvidia.com>

Hi Jason, Alex,

On 22/09/2026 23:57, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 03:31:07PM -0700, Alex Mastro wrote:
> 
>> So I empathize with Matt's contention that the _existing_ behavior that the
>> priv->revoked flag represents is actually "temporarily revoked": the importer
>> can use the same dma-buf again, later, without having to re-import
>> it!
> 
> mlx5 isn't a revoking importer, it is move capable. So the above
> sequence isn't a revoke, it is a move with an unmapped placement for a
> while.
> 
> This is why "temporarily revoked" is a confusing phrase.
> 
> The API is such that move and revoke importers can co-exist like this
> but they experiance a different version of things..

Ahhhhh.  That was very helpful (esp. to contrast with the previous
iommufd statement about invalidate_mappings being permanent), thank you!

So the worry was that the VFIO DMABUF's temp/perm state could be
misconstrued as an implication/guarantee about the future availability
of that DMABUF to importers, OK.  And we want the existing move(false)
behaviour still, for dynamic importers that treat it as a move.

> We probably should not have made it have this move compatible
> restoration and had things more consistent. User space can't know if
> the importer is move capable or not so it has to assume revoke and it
> has to go and unmap things before resetting/etc.
> >> This series doesn't intend to change the behavior of either. Is the
confusion
>> about whether the current behavior is intentional and/or desirable? If the
>> answer to both is "no", then IMO this series paves the way nicely towards making
>> PERM_REVOKED the only supported semantic later.
> 
> Right, I think the only concern is language.
In that case, the VFIO-internal tracking could be:

 priv->status = VFIO_PCI_DMABUF_OK;      /* was priv->revoked = false */
 priv->status = VFIO_PCI_DMABUF_REVOKED; /* was priv->revoked = true */
 priv->status = VFIO_PCI_DMABUF_DEAD;

The latter means that an invalidate_mappings was performed (due to a new
userspace ioctl trigger), and that all future dma_buf_*attach() attempts
must fail.  I'd add a comment to explain this clearly in the enum.

If that's too macabre, DEFUNCT?  (A word implying guaranteed
permanence...).  The userspace action causing all this can IMHO be
called REVOKE still; it's what it does.  (I'll clarify the observable
effect from the POV of an importer in the UAPI.)

WDYT?


Matt


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-23 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-11 21:41 [PATCH v6 0/9] vfio/pci: Add mmap() for DMABUFs Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] vfio/pci: Remove DMABUF export dependency on vdev->memory_lock Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] vfio/pci: Un-revoke DMABUFs in LOW_POWER_ENTRY_WITH_WAKEUP resume Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] dma-buf: Export dma_buf_set_name() Matt Evans
2026-09-14 11:06   ` Christian König
2026-09-15 13:35     ` Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] vfio/pci: Add a helper to look up PFNs for DMABUFs Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] vfio/pci: Add a helper to create a DMABUF for a BAR-map VMA Matt Evans
2026-09-15 12:16   ` liulongfang
2026-09-21 13:24     ` Matt Evans
2026-09-22  9:16       ` liulongfang
2026-09-24 12:43         ` Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] vfio/pci: Convert BAR mmap() to use a DMABUF Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] vfio/pci: Clean up BAR zap and revocation Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] vfio/pci: Support mmap() of a VFIO DMABUF Matt Evans
2026-09-11 21:41 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] vfio/pci: Permanently revoke a DMABUF on request Matt Evans
2026-09-13 16:52   ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-14 11:36     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-14 11:54       ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-14 11:58         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-14 12:06           ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-14 12:08             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-14 12:13         ` Matt Evans
2026-09-15  7:20           ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-15 11:13             ` Christian König
2026-09-15 14:22               ` Matt Evans
2026-09-16 14:19                 ` Christian König
2026-09-21 13:08                   ` Matt Evans
2026-09-21 13:22                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-21 13:45                       ` Christian König
2026-09-21 13:49                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-21 14:09                           ` Christian König
2026-09-22 12:41                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-22 12:46                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-22 12:54                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-22 22:31                                   ` Alex Mastro
2026-09-22 22:57                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-23 15:40                                       ` Matt Evans [this message]
2026-09-23 16:13                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-23 16:52                                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-23 17:06                                           ` Matt Evans
2026-09-24 17:36                                       ` Alex Mastro
2026-09-22 11:40                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-15 12:35           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-15 14:30             ` Matt Evans

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