From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: Li Zhe <lizhe.67@bytedance.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, ljs@kernel.org, liam@infradead.org,
rppt@kernel.org, mhocko@suse.com, corbet@lwn.net,
skhan@linuxfoundation.org, ziy@nvidia.com,
joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com, ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com,
apopple@nvidia.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/numa_balancing: allow migrate on protnone reference with MPOL_WEIGHTED_INTERLEAVE policy
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2026 12:55:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e8e7bdef-8c12-47bb-8b39-54405b857156@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ar0LqjO3-cwU6-Jy@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>
On 9/30/26 15:40, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2026 at 02:32:16PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, but you're requesting this configuration. If you didn't set
>>> F_NUMA_BALANCING then you get the existing semantics.
>>>
>>> In the existing semantics, if we're INTERLEAVE and WEIGHTED_INTERLEAVE
>>> we just always say "no tiering for you".
>>>
>>> But as an opt-in option? I don't quite see the argument for saying
>>> interleaved regions (or tasks) to be opted-out if the user asks for it -
>>> that just seems like an arbitrary limitation.
>>
>> Just to be clear, what I am saying is: the proposed semantics are inconsistent
>> (weighted when mechanism A honors them and mechanism B doesn't honor them), but
>> once we set these semantics in stone like that, we cannot easily change them
>> later because some user might depend on that behavior.
>>
>> So you'll need yet another flag to say "NUMA balancing really also honors the
>> weights". And that's where it all gets ugly.
>>
>
> I would agree with you if demotion didn't entirely ignoring mempolicy.
>
> On a tiered system, mempolicy *only* applies to initial (or fault-in)
> placement, and otherwise is more or less entirely ignored. This is
> a case where it's not ignored - which is actually inconsistent with
> the rest of the tiering tools (demotion, damon).
>
> This is why I said this distinction may only make sense in TIERING
> mode, while in NORMAL mode you likely just want to fault it back to
> its original interleave location.
>
> Also file interleave (indexed by offset) vs task (counter-incremented)
> policies are affected by these changes very differently, which I asked
> for some thought on.
>
> As tiering develops, the less I think task-mempolicy as a whole makes
> much sense (because it's at-best advisory).
Fully agreed to that. I even struggle to understand how an initial placement
using the weighted policy really fits into that picture.
--
Cheers,
David
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-01 10:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-30 7:26 Li Zhe
2026-09-30 8:43 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 8:59 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 9:11 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 10:59 ` Joshua Hahn
2026-09-30 11:22 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 12:25 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 11:26 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-30 11:52 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 12:11 ` Joshua Hahn
2026-09-30 14:02 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 14:50 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 15:10 ` Zi Yan
2026-10-01 10:54 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-01 11:18 ` Zi Yan
2026-10-01 13:26 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 12:03 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 12:32 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-30 13:40 ` Gregory Price
2026-10-01 10:55 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
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