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From: Doug Ledford <doug.ledford@hpe.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Andrew Lunn" <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Slingshot Open Source Team"
	<slingshot-os-team@groups.ext.hpe.com>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Nicolas Schier" <nsc@kernel.org>,
	"Richard Cochran" <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	"Andrew Lunn" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Guenter Roeck" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,
	"Sandeep Bhoot" <sandeep.bhoot@hpe.com>,
	"Iraimani P" <iraimani.pavadai@hpe.com>,
	"Mamila Santosh" <santosh-kumar.mamila@hpe.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] Subject: [PATCH net-next 00/23] net/hpe: add HPE Slingshot NIC drivers
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2026 08:03:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e9f446e4-665e-4eb3-9507-a60e9b3bb9cd@hpe.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261104133938.GP3889730@ziepe.ca>


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On 11/4/26 5:39 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 03, 2026 at 08:21:05PM -0800, Doug Ledford wrote:
>> Top-posting an executive summary: HPE's ask is whether we should submit
>> this driver through the netdev community or the rdma community. HPE
>> prefers netdev, with RDMA as an aux driver, but needs the maintainers’
>> call. A minimal Ethernet driver is about 48k lines plus 36k lines of
>> mostly machine-generated headers (details below).
> 
> It depends on a simple question: can you create a functional ultra
> ethernet device without a netdev and without an IP or routing table?
> Like IB?
> 
> If yes then maybe you could do RDMA first.
> 
> If no, then you must get a netdev first.
> 
> Jason

That's tricky to answer.  Can you create portals table entries for
Slingshot and ignore IP, yes.  But, you also normally connect to a
fabric manager over an IP socket in order to get your NID (similar to
IB's LID) and that's what you then use for RDMA traffic.  But the NID
can also be derived from the MAC address.  So, it can go either way.

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-04 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-30 20:58 Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:58 ` [PATCH 01/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the Cassini headers Doug Ledford
2026-10-31 13:58   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-10-31 19:34     ` Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:58 ` [PATCH 02/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the Slingshot Base Link headers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:58 ` [PATCH 03/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the core instance and configuration layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 04/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the SerDes layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 05/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the PML link layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 06/23] net: hpe: sbl: add link state management Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 07/23] net: hpe: sbl: add the SBM serial bus layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 08/23] net: hpe: sbl: add media, FEC and counter support Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 09/23] net: hpe: sl: add the Slingshot Link headers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 10/23] net: hpe: sl: add the module entry points Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 11/23] net: hpe: sl: add the core link state machines Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 12/23] net: hpe: sl: add the control layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 13/23] net: hpe: sl: add media and cable handling Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 14/23] net: hpe: sl: add the sysfs interface Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 15/23] net: hpe: sl: add the NIC binding and logging helpers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 16/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the Cassini core device layer Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 17/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the datapath and memory translation layers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 18/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the link layer glue Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 19/23] net: hpe: ss1: add SR-IOV support Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 20/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the CXI core interfaces Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 21/23] net: hpe: ss1: add resource groups, QoS and services Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 22/23] net: hpe: ss1: add the Ethernet personality Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 20:59 ` [PATCH 23/23] net: hpe: wire up the Slingshot NIC drivers Doug Ledford
2026-10-30 22:11 ` [PATCH 00/23] Subject: [PATCH net-next 00/23] net/hpe: add HPE " Jakub Kicinski
2026-10-31 20:17   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-02  1:02     ` Doug Ledford
2026-11-02  1:35       ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-02  3:45         ` Doug Ledford
2026-11-02 14:26           ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-04  4:21             ` Doug Ledford
2026-11-04 13:39               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-04 16:03                 ` Doug Ledford [this message]
2026-11-04 14:48               ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-04 15:04                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-04 16:13                   ` Doug Ledford
2026-11-02  3:01       ` Guenter Roeck
2026-11-02 17:01         ` Doug Ledford
2026-11-02 17:39           ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-02 18:12             ` Doug Ledford

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