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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
Cc: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: init's children list is long and slows reaping children.
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:45:57 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1lkh58q16.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070406094413.GA673@tv-sign.ru> (Oleg Nesterov's message of "Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:44:13 +0400")

Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru> writes:

>> At first glance your patch looks reasonable.
>> 
>> Unfortunately it only applies to the rare thread that calls daemonize,
>> and not also to kernel/kthread/kthread() which means it will miss many of
>> our current kernel threads.
>
> Note that a thread created by kthread_create() has ->parent == "[kthread]",
> not /sbin/init (unless it was created before core_initcall). So I don't really
> understand how stop_machine() creates the threads parented to init.

Duh.  I was looking for that detail but the code was sufficiently
abstracted that I missed it skimming through.  Now I see it thanks.
That at least explains how a handful of threads created with
kthread_create have init as their parent.

My gut feel says it makes sense to change reparent_to_init to 
reparent_to_kthread.  Which will get the all of the kernel daemons
under a single parent.  Further I think it makes sense to see if
we can start kthread earlier. Having kthread have pid == 2 would be
nice.  That way we can kill the conditional that is only used during
early initialization (make the code simpler and more predictable).

Since we seem to need kthread for the work of forking kernel threads,
I don't see much point in not having a proper process tree, and a
single extra child for pid == 1 isn't going to hurt anyone.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-06 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-06  8:42 Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06  9:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06  9:44   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 15:45     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2007-04-06 15:47       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 17:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 17:27           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:31             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:34           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:06             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-06 19:15               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:21                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-06 21:04                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-06 21:07                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-06 19:36           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 19:43             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 20:01               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 20:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:47             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 19:59               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-07 20:31             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-08  0:38               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-08 15:46                 ` Oleg Nesterov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-04-05 19:51 Robin Holt
2007-04-05 20:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06  0:51   ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06  1:03     ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06  1:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06  2:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 10:43         ` Robin Holt
2007-04-06 15:38           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 16:31             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 17:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:39                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-06 18:04                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 18:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 13:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 13:38                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-10 15:00                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 14:51                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 15:06                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 15:22                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 15:53                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 16:17                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 16:44                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-11 19:55                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-11 20:17                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-11 21:24                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-11 20:19                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 18:02               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 18:21               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 18:56                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:16                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 19:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 21:29                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 21:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 22:31                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 22:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 22:59                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-09  8:28                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-09 18:09                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-09 19:28                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-09 19:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-09 20:03                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-10 15:12                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-10 19:17                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-09 20:00                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 16:41             ` Robin Holt
2007-04-09 17:37         ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06 18:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-06 19:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 22:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-06 22:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 23:37     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-11  7:28       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-10  0:23   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  0:48     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10  1:15       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  6:53       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  9:42       ` Robin Holt
2007-04-10  1:59     ` Dave Jones
2007-04-10  2:30       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  2:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-10  7:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10 22:20             ` Ingo Oeser
2007-04-10  5:07         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-10  5:21           ` Dave Jones
2007-04-10  6:09         ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-04-10  7:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  7:05         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  7:37           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  8:33             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  8:41               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  8:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10 22:35                   ` Ingo Oeser
2007-04-10 16:35           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-10  7:44         ` Russell King
2007-04-10  8:16           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10  9:33             ` Jeff Garzik

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