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* Re: [PATCH] Re: Negative scalability by removal of  lock_kernel()?(Was:Strange performance behavior of 2.4.0-test9)
@ 2000-11-05  4:19 Dave Wagner
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Dave Wagner @ 2000-11-05  4:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: torvalds; +Cc: linux-kernel

Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> No.
>
> Please use unserialized accept() _always_, because we can fix that.
>
> Even 2.2.x can be fixed to do the wake-one for accept(), if required.
> It's not going to be any worse than the current apache config, and
> basically the less games apache plays, the better the kernel can try to
> accomodate what apache _really_ wants done.  When playing games, you
> hide what you really want done, and suddenly kernel profiles etc end up
> being completely useless, because they no longer give the data we needed
> to fix the problem.
>
> Basically, the whole serialization crap is all about the Apache people
> saying the equivalent of "the OS does a bad job on something we consider
> to be incredibly important, so we do something else instead to hide it".
>
> And regardless of _what_ workaround Apache does, whether it is the sucky
> fcntl() thing or using SysV semaphores, it's going to hide the real
> issue and mean that it never gets fixed properly.
>
> And in the end it will result in really really bad performance.
>
> Instead, if apache had just done the thing it wanted to do in the first
> place, the wake-one accept() semantics would have happened a hell of a
> lot earlier.
>
> Now it's there in 2.4.x. Please use it. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't play
> games trying to outsmart the OS, it will just hurt Apache in the long run.
>

But how would you suggest people using 2.2 configure their
Apache?  Will flock/fcntl or semaphores perform better (albeit
"uglier") than unserialized accept()'s in 2.2.  I'm willing
and expecting to rebuild apache when 2.4 is released.  I do
not, though, want to leave performance on the table today,
just so I can say that my apache binary is 2.4-ready.

Do any of the apache serialization methods (flock/fcntl/semops)
have any performance improvement over unserialized accept() with
Apache running on a 2.2 kernel?

Dave Wagner

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* Re: Negative scalability by removal of lock_kernel()?(Was: Strange  performance behavior of 2.4.0-test9)
  2000-10-27  7:46     ` Andi Kleen
@ 2000-10-27 10:23 Andrew Morton
  2000-10-27  6:32 ` Jeff V. Merkey
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Morton @ 2000-10-27 10:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andi Kleen
  Cc: Alexander Viro, Jeff V. Merkey, kumon, Rik van Riel, linux-kernel

Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
> When you have two CPUs contending on common paths it is better to do:
> [ spinlock stuff ]

Andi, if the lock_kernel() is removed then the first time the CPUs will butt heads is on a semaphore.  This is much more expensive.

I bet if acquire_fl_sem() and release_fl_sem() are turned into lock_kernel()/unlock_kernel() then the scalability will come back.
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2000-10-28 15:46         ` Andrew Morton
2000-10-28 15:58           ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-28 16:05           ` Jeff Garzik
2000-10-28 16:46           ` Andrew Morton
2000-10-30  9:27           ` kumon
2000-10-30 15:00             ` Andrew Morton
2000-10-30 23:24               ` dean gaudet
2000-11-04  5:08                 ` [PATCH] Re: Negative scalability by removal of lock_kernel()?(Was:Strange " Andrew Morton
2000-11-04  6:23                   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-11-04 20:03                     ` dean gaudet
2000-11-04 20:11                   ` dean gaudet
2000-10-31 15:36         ` [PATCH] Re: Negative scalability by removal of lock_kernel()?(Was: Strange " Andrew Morton
2000-11-02 12:50           ` kumon
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2000-11-04  5:07           ` Andrew Morton

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