From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Dionna Glaze <drdeeglaze@gmail.com>,
Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:12:34 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <103486a4a29ecc7b72940dd051c00ae59266bd05.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ath4vwt7KGyDXKVJ@FV6GYCPJ69>
On Wed, 2026-10-21 at 10:33 +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 12:56:58AM +0200, jgg@nvidia.com wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 09:10:31AM -0700, Dionna Glaze wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 5:08 AM Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I was thinking about this and went back and forth. In the end, the
> > > > only reason for leaving it unbounded is to allow multiple independent
> > > > users of the same register. For example, IMA and systemd could share a
> > > > TDX RTMR. The systemd side would read the journal through the
> > > > attestation device and the IMA side through securityfs, but both are
> > > > views of the same journal. If one side truncated it, the other could no
> > > > longer replay the RTMR. Isn't this the valid usecase? Do you see how to
> > > > resolve this?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Bright minds have spent a significant amount of time working on this.
> > >
> > > +Roberto Sassu, +Mimi Zohar
> > > IMA logs and systemd logs are both system level concerns that are
> > > relevant to the OS construction, not individual users,
> > > so I would just say to reroute IMA to use ctlv using a kernel config
> > > setting, then make systemd the new system manager of the holistic log.
> > > The securityfs log contents can simply say, "log managed by ctlv" in
> > > this setting, in the form of the template identifier.
> > > For policy violations, only the 0... extend needs to go to ctlv.
> > > IMA can still keep its violation log as a ring buffer when it's not a
> > > 1-to-1 violation to extension
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyYUYbdiN_4
> >
> > I think for now we should not include a new dynamic log here, the uAPI
> > around this Jiri drafted can remain a future step. I don't want to
> > open complicated discussions about new functionality at this
> > stage. The whole CTLV idea in general is a big enough thing to bite
> > off for this series.
>
> Okay, dropping the log from this set.
Thank you. Please keep in mind going forward, that the scarce hardware register
limitation (like the 4 TDX RTMRs) should be resolved (e.g. by multiplexing the
extension path), not by combining distinct measurement lists.
Mimi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-21 14:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-15 14:50 Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 22:31 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:23 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 0:11 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 0:43 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 1:12 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 1:25 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:23 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 13:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16 ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53 ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10 ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 8:33 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:12 ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2026-10-21 14:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 9:26 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 13:45 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 14:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 15:22 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 16:11 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-20 16:52 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:23 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 13:18 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-21 13:50 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-21 13:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:31 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:48 ` James Bottomley
2026-10-21 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-19 12:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:49 ` James Bottomley
2026-10-20 13:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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