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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: Dionna Glaze <drdeeglaze@gmail.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 11:26:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <atcypJ7oQ37oY8c2@FV6GYCPJ69> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANwfdvUhuQ6L+w+91iDZD=diMmaJ6_2ZsFKkcoiKWOmPMC1oKg@mail.gmail.com>

Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 06:10:31PM +0200, drdeeglaze@gmail.com wrote:
>On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 5:08 AM Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I was thinking about this and went back and forth. In the end, the
>> only reason for leaving it unbounded is to allow multiple independent
>> users of the same register. For example, IMA and systemd could share a
>> TDX RTMR. The systemd side would read the journal through the
>> attestation device and the IMA side through securityfs, but both are
>> views of the same journal. If one side truncated it, the other could no
>> longer replay the RTMR. Isn't this the valid usecase? Do you see how to
>> resolve this?
>>
>
>Bright minds have spent a significant amount of time working on this.
>
>+Roberto Sassu, +Mimi Zohar
>IMA logs and systemd logs are both system level concerns that are
>relevant to the OS construction, not individual users,
>so I would just say to reroute IMA to use ctlv using a kernel config
>setting, then make systemd the new system manager of the holistic log.

Yeah, isn't there a valid usecase for 2 separete userspace consumers
though? It could be a limitation, perhaps configurable :S


>The securityfs log contents can simply say, "log managed by ctlv" in
>this setting, in the form of the template identifier.

Yeah, I just wanted the existing userspace IMA ecosystem *just work*
without any distruption.


>For policy violations, only the 0... extend needs to go to ctlv.
>IMA can still keep its violation log as a ring buffer when it's not a
>1-to-1 violation to extension
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyYUYbdiN_4

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-20  9:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 14:50 Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16   ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53           ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10               ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20  9:26                 ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2026-10-19 12:40             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe

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