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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
Cc: sekharan@us.ibm.com, balbir@in.ibm.com, dev@openvz.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Srivatsa <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kingsley Cheung <kingsley@aurema.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC 3/5] sched: Add CPU rate hard caps
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:46:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1149237992.9446.133.camel@Homer.TheSimpsons.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <447FD2E1.7060605@bigpond.net.au>

On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 15:55 +1000, Peter Williams wrote:
> Chandra Seetharaman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:04 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
> >> Hi, Kirill,
> >>
> >> Kirill Korotaev wrote:
> >>>> Do you have any documented requirements for container resource 
> >>>> management?
> >>>> Is there a minimum list of features and nice to have features for 
> >>>> containers
> >>>> as far as resource management is concerned?
> >>> Sure! You can check OpenVZ project (http://openvz.org) for example of 
> >>> required resource management. BTW, I must agree with other people here 
> >>> who noticed that per-process resource management is really useless and 
> >>> hard to use :(
> > 
> > I totally agree.
> 
> "nice" seems to be doing quite nicely :-)
> 
> To me this capping functionality is a similar functionality to that 
> provided by "nice" and all that's needed to make it useful is a command 
> (similar to "nice") that runs tasks with caps applied.

Similar in that they are both inherited.  Very dissimilar in that the
effect of nice is not altered by fork whereas the effect of a cap is.

Consider make.  A cap on make itself isn't meaningful, and _any_ per
task cap you put on it with the intent of managing the aggregate, is
defeated by the argument -j.  Per task caps require omniscience to be
effective in managing processes.  That's a pretty severe limitation.

	-Mike


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-02  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-26  4:20 [RFC 0/5] sched: Add CPU rate caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:20 ` [RFC 1/5] sched: Fix priority inheritence before CPU rate soft caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:20 ` [RFC 2/5] sched: Add " Peter Williams
2006-05-26 10:48   ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 11:15     ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-26 11:17       ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 11:30         ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-26 13:55     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  6:31   ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-27  7:03     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-28  0:11       ` Peter Williams
2006-05-28  7:38         ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-28 13:35           ` Peter Williams
2006-05-28 14:42             ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-28 23:27               ` Peter Williams
2006-05-31 13:17                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-31 23:39                   ` Peter Williams
2006-06-01  8:09                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-01 23:38                       ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02  1:35                         ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:20 ` [RFC 3/5] sched: Add CPU rate hard caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  6:58   ` Kari Hurtta
2006-05-27  1:00     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26 11:00   ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 13:59     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26 14:12       ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 14:23       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-27  0:16         ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  9:28           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-28  2:09             ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  6:48   ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-27  8:44     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-31 13:10       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-31 15:59         ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-31 18:09           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-01  7:41           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-01  8:34             ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-01 18:43               ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-01 23:26                 ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02  2:02                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-02  3:21                     ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02  8:32                       ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-02 13:30                         ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02 18:58                           ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-02 23:49                             ` Peter Williams
2006-06-03  4:59                               ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-02 19:06                       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-03  0:04                         ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02  0:36                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-06-02  2:03                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-02  5:55                 ` [ckrm-tech] [RFC 3/5] " Peter Williams
2006-06-02  7:47                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-02 13:34                     ` Peter Williams
2006-06-05 22:11                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-06  8:24                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-06  9:13                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-06-06  9:28                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-02  8:46                   ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2006-06-02 13:18                     ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02 14:47                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-03  0:08                         ` Peter Williams
2006-06-03  6:02                           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-03 11:03                             ` Peter Williams
2006-06-06 11:26                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-06-02  7:34                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-02 21:23                   ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-01 23:47               ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-01 23:43           ` Peter Williams
2006-05-31 23:28         ` Peter Williams
2006-06-01  7:44           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-01 23:21             ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:21 ` [RFC 4/5] sched: Add procfs interface for CPU rate soft caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:21 ` [RFC 5/5] sched: Add procfs interface for CPU rate hard caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  8:04 ` [RFC 0/5] sched: Add CPU rate caps Mike Galbraith
2006-05-26 16:11   ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-05-28 22:46     ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-28 23:30       ` Peter Williams
2006-05-29  3:09         ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-29  3:41           ` Peter Williams
2006-05-29 21:16             ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-29 23:12               ` Peter Williams
2006-05-30  2:07                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-30  2:45                   ` Peter Williams
2006-05-30 22:05                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-30 23:22                       ` Peter Williams
2006-05-30 23:25                       ` Peter Williams
2006-06-05 23:56                       ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  0:16   ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26 10:41 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-27  1:28   ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  1:42     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 11:09 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 14:00   ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26 11:29 ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-27  1:40   ` Peter Williams

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