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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	"Siddha, Suresh B" <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, ak@suse.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
	asit.k.mallick@intel.com
Subject: Re: x86_64: potential critical issue with quicklists and page table pages
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:27:45 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1190669265.6886.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0709211212130.16478@woody.linux-foundation.org>


On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 12:21 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Yeah, and the whole thing seems totally bogus. It totally depends on 
> mmu_gather doing everything right (which very much includes the dependency 
> on mmu gathering disabling preempt).
> 
> For exmaple, if we were to go back to the original small tlb_gather with a 
> simple quicklist on the stack, rather than the per-cpu datastructure, the 
> quicklists would immediately break horribly - simply because they are 
> incorrectly now depending on the internal semantics of that tlb-gather.
> 
> As it is, the quicklists try to be something separate, but by virtue of 
> being separate, they will always be buggy.
> 
> The only way to fix it would be to integrate the quicklist stuff *with* 
> the mmu_gather stuff, so that these kinds of implementation issues are 
> explicitly shown in the relationship, instead of havign two "independent" 
> pieces of code where one piece very subtly depends on the exact 
> implementation of the other.

I've been mostly offline since KS (since a bit before in fact), so I
missed some of those discussions but so that you know, I'm toying a bit
with mmu gather and page table accessors at the moment, and one of the
things I've been contemplating is just that ... integrating a quicklist
in the gather to handle just that (and possibly other issues that have
been overlooked on some archs).

I'd suggest just reverting the patch for now (well, I see from the
commit list that you did just that) and I'll try to come up with
something better.

Christoph, I'd be happy if you didn't start butchering mmu_gather just
right now since I'm doing just that and it will collide all over the
place :-) Or if you want something specific done, please throw
ideas/patches at me and I'll integrate that in my serie.

Cheers,
Ben.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-24 21:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-21 18:07 Siddha, Suresh B
2007-09-21 18:18 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-21 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-21 18:50   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-21 18:55     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-21 19:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-21 19:07         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-21 19:21           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-21 19:26             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-21 19:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-21 19:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-21 19:56                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-21 19:59                   ` Luck, Tony
2007-09-21 20:15                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-24 21:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2007-09-24 21:42               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-25  0:09                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-09-21 18:48 ` Christoph Lameter

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