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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: aspeedyh <yh_chung@aspeedtech.com>,
	"Andrew Jeffery" <andrew@codeconstruct.com.au>,
	"Conor Dooley" <conor@kernel.org>
Cc: "Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Joel Stanley" <joel@jms.id.au>,
	"Ryan Chen" <ryan_chen@aspeedtech.com>,
	"Philipp Zabel" <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-aspeed@lists.ozlabs.org" <linux-aspeed@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org" <openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"maciej.lawniczak@intel.com" <maciej.lawniczak@intel.com>,
	"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] soc: aspeed: Add AST2600 eSPI controller support
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2026 11:30:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <14870d17-2471-4522-b8b5-03cb9002a4f7@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <KL1PR0601MB4276B5BE3B96C18E3A66AD709049A@KL1PR0601MB4276.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, at 09:41, YH Chung wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2026, at 09:14, YH Chung wrote:
>> From reading the old comments that Andrew linked to at
>> 
>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-aspeed/HK0PR06MB377924CFCBFE9BD40E1C4A5D91
>> D49@HK0PR06MB3779.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com/
>> 
>> I understand that the SoC has a "hardware mode" in which eSPI is
>> directly implemented by redirecting upper-level eSPI transactions into
>> functional blocks of the chip, while the software mode behaves like
>> a regular SPI endpoint controller and your driver implements the
>> same interfaces in a mix of kernel and userspace components. Can you
>> confirm that this is a correct understanding of what the hardware
>> does, or where I misunderstand parts?
>
> Broadly yes, except that the AST2600 does not operate in a single global
> "hardware mode" or "software mode". Instead, some backends in the eSPI target
> controller support per-function HW/SW mode selection.
>
> Depending on that function-specific setting, the controller either forwards a
> received transaction directly to the corresponding hardware block or traps it
> for software handling instead.
>
> This mechanism exists because some backend blocks include their own hardware
> filtering, but not all request types could be validated generically in
> hardware. For example, the LPC bridge can reject illegal requests. In some
> cases, blindly forwarding host requests to the target block would also have
> security implications.
>
> The channel/backend mapping on AST2600 can be summarized as:
>
> eSPI
> ├── Peripheral
> │ ├── Memory (HW mode only)
> │ └── LPC bridge (HW mode only)
> ├── Virtual Wire
> │ └── GPIO (HW/SW mode selection)
> ├── Out-of-Band (SW mode only)
> └── Flash
>    └── Storage controller (HW/SW mode selection)
>
> From the link thread, what Jeremy mentioned is the GPIO HW/SW mode for CH1,
> which determines whether the host can directly control the corresponding BMC
> GPIO output, or whether BMC software can inspect and decide whether to act on
> that request.
>
> Another example is the Target Attached Flash Sharing (TAFS) defined by the
> eSPI specification that allows BMC to share its storage with the host.
>
> In hardware mode, the eSPI Target Device controller routes the request
> directly to a predefined storage controller on AST2600.
> In software mode, it raises an interrupt and lets software handle the
> transaction instead.
>
> So I would not describe the AST2600 eSPI block as being globally in either
> "hardware mode" or "software mode".
> That choice is made per backend function, and some backend functions do not
> implement such a switch at all.

I see, thanks for the detailed explanation! Two follow-up questions:

- For the HW-mode-only peripherals (memory, LPC), is there any
  driver interaction at all for setting it up, or is this completely
  transparent to Linux running on the BMC?

- For the other devices running in SW mode, is the interface that the
  driver sees abstract in the sense that the same low-level code
  is shared for all of them, or are these still separate functional
  blocks that each need their own register-level interface?

>> For the higher-level interfaces (flash, gpio, ...), I don't think
>> there is any consensus yet about how this should be done, but again
>> I think this won't be drivers/soc but instead something more
>> generic.
>
> For the flash-related interface, would it make sense to follow the
> configuration model used by the USB gadget mass-storage function, and expose
> the backing storage selection through configfs? 
>
> For the attributes, perhaps the only backing storage object and read-only
> flag would be required in our case.
>
> For the Virtual Wire GPIO, we think GPIO subsystem may be leveraged here,
> though some corner cases may not map cleanly to a typical GPIO controller
> model.
>
> For the Out-of-band channel, since the eSPI spec models it for tunneled SMBus
> packets, we may want to integrate it with the kernel's MCTP stack if that is
> a suitable fit.

These all seem to be viable options, but I still think we should
focus on agreeing on a design for the low-level hardware interface
and whether this can or should be abstracted between SoC vendor
specific drivers before trying to solve the user interface side.

      Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-25 10:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-13 10:07 aspeedyh
2026-03-13 10:07 ` [PATCH 1/7] dt-bindings: soc: aspeed: Add AST2600 eSPI controller aspeedyh
2026-03-16  7:07   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-16  8:17     ` YH Chung
2026-03-16 11:04       ` Conor Dooley
2026-03-17  8:43         ` YH Chung
2026-03-13 10:07 ` [PATCH 2/7] soc: aspeed: Introduce core eSPI controller support aspeedyh
2026-03-16  9:57   ` Philipp Zabel
2026-03-17  8:40     ` YH Chung
2026-03-13 10:07 ` [PATCH 3/7] soc: aspeed: Add AST2600 peripheral channel port I/O support aspeedyh
2026-05-07 14:03   ` Shulzhenko, Oleksandr
2026-03-13 10:07 ` [PATCH 4/7] soc: aspeed: Add eSPI TAFS backend support aspeedyh
2026-03-13 10:07 ` [PATCH 5/7] soc: aspeed: Add eSPI flash channel support aspeedyh
2026-03-19 23:53   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-20  1:17   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-20  4:19   ` kernel test robot
2026-06-24 12:02   ` Markus Elfring
2026-06-29  8:10     ` YH Chung
2026-06-24 12:14   ` Markus Elfring
2026-06-29  8:15     ` YH Chung
2026-06-29  8:50       ` [5/7] " Markus Elfring
2026-06-30  5:02         ` YH Chung
2026-03-13 10:07 ` [PATCH 6/7] soc: aspeed: Add sysfs controls for flash backend selection aspeedyh
2026-03-13 10:07 ` [PATCH 7/7] arm: dts: aspeed: Add eSPI node for AST2600 aspeedyh
2026-03-13 16:24 ` [PATCH 0/7] soc: aspeed: Add AST2600 eSPI controller support Conor Dooley
2026-03-13 16:32   ` Mark Brown
2026-03-13 16:48     ` Mark Brown
2026-03-16  3:07       ` YH Chung
2026-03-13 21:36   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-03-14  1:02     ` Mark Brown
2026-03-16  6:06     ` Ivan Mikhaylov
2026-03-16  6:34     ` Andrew Jeffery
2026-03-17  8:14       ` YH Chung
2026-03-17  9:50         ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-03-25  8:41           ` YH Chung
2026-03-25 10:30             ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2026-03-27  4:14               ` YH Chung
2026-04-07  9:36                 ` YH Chung
2026-05-07 16:00                   ` Shulzhenko, Oleksandr
2026-05-12  7:08                     ` YH Chung
2026-05-12  8:45                       ` Shulzhenko, Oleksandr
2026-05-19 10:40                         ` YH Chung
2026-06-03  5:25                           ` YH Chung
2026-06-22  7:31                           ` YH Chung
2026-06-24  3:59                             ` YH Chung

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