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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: "Joseph S. Myers" <jsm28@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: <jkl@miacid.net>, Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	<dewar@gnat.com>, <Dautrevaux@microprocess.com>,
	<Franz.Sirl-kernel@lauterbach.com>, <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	<gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, <jtv@xs4all.nl>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linuxppc-dev@lists.linuxppc.org>,
	<minyard@acm.org>, <rth@redhat.com>, <trini@kernel.crashing.org>,
	<velco@fadata.bg>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:09:49 +1100 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15415.52749.90870.849084@argo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201051929080.485-100000@kern.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.10.10201051111100.8542-100000@hevanet.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201051929080.485-100000@kern.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk>

Joseph S. Myers writes:

> Just because you've created a pointer P, and it compares bitwise equal to
> a valid pointer Q you can use to access an object, does not mean that P
> can be used to access that object.  Look at DR#260, discussing the

I looked at this, and it starts out with an example that includes a
statement free(p); (where p was assigned a value returned from malloc)
and then states that "After the call to free the value of p is
indeterminate."!

This seems absolutely and completely bogus to me.  Certainly, after
the free, the value of *p is indeterminate, but the value of p itself
*is* determinate; its value after the free is identical to its value
before the free.  Why do they say that the value of p itself is
indeterminate after the free?

The two examples of why a compiler might want to change the value are
also bogus; the compiler can avoid writing the value of p from a
register back to memory only if the value is dead, and it isn't in the
example given.  As for the debugging opportunity, if I want p to be
set to NULL or some other pattern for debugging I'll do it explicitly.

In general I think that when a pointer value has been obtained by a
cast to an integer or by passing the address of a pointer to a
function, the compiler should assume that the pointer can point
anywhere.  That means reduced opportunities for optimization, but so
be it.  Note that all of the examples in DR#260 involve passing &p to
some function.

Paul.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-01-06  4:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-03 13:28 dewar
2002-01-04  8:38 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 11:35   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 19:25     ` jkl
2002-01-05 19:37       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:06         ` jkl
2002-01-05 21:42           ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:01       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-05 20:17         ` jkl
2002-01-05 20:51           ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-06  4:09       ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-10 19:01 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 12:18 dewar
2002-01-10 12:37 ` Erik Trulsson
2002-01-10 15:27   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-10  9:03 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 10:40 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-10  4:33 dewar
2002-01-10  2:16 dewar
2002-01-10  1:22 dewar
2002-01-10  1:21 dewar
2002-01-10  4:37 ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-09 21:54 dewar
2002-01-09 20:32 dewar
2002-01-09 21:43 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 20:08 dewar
2002-01-09 19:53 mike stump
2002-01-09 20:12 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 10:42 dewar
2002-01-09 10:41 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09 21:59 ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 10:40 dewar
2002-01-09  9:06 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09  9:25 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-09  2:18 dewar
2002-01-09  2:13 dewar
2002-01-09  1:51 mike stump
2002-01-09  1:19 dewar
2002-01-09  0:51 dewar
2002-01-08 11:12 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-11  9:52 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-08  9:44 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-08 11:44 ` 'jtv'
2002-01-08  0:16 mike stump
2002-01-08 11:33 ` jtv
2002-01-07 23:46 mike stump
2002-01-07 23:20 dewar
2002-01-07 23:15 dewar
2002-01-07 23:12 dewar
2002-01-07 23:11 dewar
2002-01-07 22:56 mike stump
2002-01-07 22:26 Tim McDaniel
2002-01-07 19:36 mike stump
2002-01-07 21:21 ` Theodore Tso
2002-01-08  0:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-08  1:02   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-07 19:18 mike stump
2002-01-07 19:17 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 18:38 mike stump
2002-01-07 13:29 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 13:24 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 21:49 ` jtv
2002-01-07 22:28   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-07 22:16     ` jtv
2002-01-08  0:27       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-08 11:41         ` jtv
2002-01-08 12:36           ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-08 12:58             ` jtv
2002-01-09 19:47         ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 20:44           ` jtv
2002-01-09 23:49           ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-10 10:13             ` Matthias Benkmann
2002-01-10  0:19           ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10  1:47             ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-10 15:30             ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10 10:44           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-06 19:32 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 18:37 mike stump
2002-01-06 18:24 mike stump
2002-01-06 20:37 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 21:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 22:19   ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-07  0:09     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-07  1:40       ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-06 18:20 mike stump
2002-01-06 16:22 dewar
2002-01-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 19:27   ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 19:43     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 13:43 dewar
2002-01-06 13:55 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 13:41 dewar
2002-01-06 16:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:16 dewar
2002-01-06 13:22 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:07 dewar
2002-01-06 13:05 dewar
2002-01-06 13:41 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06  7:56 mike stump
2002-01-06  4:26 dewar
2002-01-06  5:32 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 11:09   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-06  0:52 dewar
2002-01-04 22:43 dewar
2002-01-06  3:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04 12:15 dewar
2002-01-04 12:14 dewar
2002-01-03 12:51 dewar
2002-01-03 10:35 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:05 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 11:59   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-03 23:53   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04  9:52     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-05  6:45     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06  0:20       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-09  9:28   ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-09 10:58     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-03  0:49 dewar
2002-01-03  0:12 dewar
2002-01-03  0:32 ` jtv
2002-01-06 19:37   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 23:53 dewar
2002-01-02 23:59 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-03  3:12 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:45   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 17:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-01-02 22:24 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-02 22:39   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 22:59     ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 18:44   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 10:02 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-02 23:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:27   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:03 Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02  6:54   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:39     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 15:50       ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 16:45         ` Paul Koning
2002-01-02 14:56   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-02 22:56   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:37     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03  2:51     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  6:29       ` law
2002-01-03 13:16         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-04  9:05     ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 22:14     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 10:29 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 10:41   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 13:11     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 15:54       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:28 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-02 11:40   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:59     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:48   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 19:09 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 20:13   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 20:42     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 21:36   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:05     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:23       ` jtv
2002-01-02 23:12         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:45           ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:01             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:07               ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:16                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:12                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:20                 ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:25               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03  0:35                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  2:10                   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  9:29                     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:46                   ` Edgar Toernig
2002-01-03 16:48                     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03 17:13                     ` jtv
2002-01-03 21:26                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-03  2:33               ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  8:32                 ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03 10:03                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-03 10:10                 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 22:41                   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-04  8:48                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 22:27       ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:35         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:44           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:50             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:40         ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  8:42           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-04  8:42   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:26   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:28   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 23:34     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:19       ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:29         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:03           ` jtv
2002-01-03  1:17             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 17:44               ` jtv

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