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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@codesourcery.com>
Cc: mike stump <mrs@windriver.com>,
	dewar@gnat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	trini@kernel.crashing.org, velco@fadata.bg
Subject: Re: [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:59:47 +1100 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15416.51411.874019.838220@argo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <flg05jb4go.fsf@riz.cmla.ens-cachan.fr>
In-Reply-To: <200201061824.KAA19536@kankakee.wrs.com> <flg05jb4go.fsf@riz.cmla.ens-cachan.fr>

Gabriel Dos Reis writes:

> Personnally, I don't have any sentiment against the assembler
> solution.  Dewar said it was unnecessarily un-portable, but that the
> construct by itself *is* already unportable. 

I assume that what we're talking about is using an asm statement like:

	asm("" : "=r" (x) : "0" (y));

to make the compiler treat x as a pointer that it knows nothing about,
given a pointer y that the compiler does know something about.  For
example, y might be (char *)((unsigned long)"foo" + offset).

My main problem with this is that it doesn't actually solve the
problem AFAICS.  Dereferencing x is still undefined according to the
rules in the gcc manual.

Thus, although this would make the problems go away at the moment,
they will come back at some time in the future, e.g. when gcc learns
to analyse asm statements and realises that the asm is just doing
x = y.  I would prefer a solution that will last, rather than one
which relies on details of the current gcc implementation.

Other objections that I have to this solution are:

- it is hard to read; it wouldn't be obvious to someone who doesn't
  know the details of gcc asm syntax what it is doing or why

- it is a statement, which makes it less convenient to use than an
  expression

- it requires an extra dummy variable declaration.

But my main objection is that I don't have any assurance that it
actually solves the problem in a lasting way.

Paul.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-01-06 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-06 18:24 mike stump
2002-01-06 20:37 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 21:59 ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2002-01-06 22:19   ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-07  0:09     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-07  1:40       ` Alexandre Oliva
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-10 19:01 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 12:18 dewar
2002-01-10 12:37 ` Erik Trulsson
2002-01-10 15:27   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-10  9:03 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 10:40 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-10  4:33 dewar
2002-01-10  2:16 dewar
2002-01-10  1:22 dewar
2002-01-10  1:21 dewar
2002-01-10  4:37 ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-09 21:54 dewar
2002-01-09 20:32 dewar
2002-01-09 21:43 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 20:08 dewar
2002-01-09 19:53 mike stump
2002-01-09 20:12 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 10:42 dewar
2002-01-09 10:41 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09 21:59 ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 10:40 dewar
2002-01-09  9:06 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09  9:25 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-09  2:18 dewar
2002-01-09  2:13 dewar
2002-01-09  1:51 mike stump
2002-01-09  1:19 dewar
2002-01-09  0:51 dewar
2002-01-08 11:12 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-11  9:52 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-08  9:44 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-08 11:44 ` 'jtv'
2002-01-08  0:16 mike stump
2002-01-08 11:33 ` jtv
2002-01-07 23:46 mike stump
2002-01-07 23:20 dewar
2002-01-07 23:15 dewar
2002-01-07 23:12 dewar
2002-01-07 23:11 dewar
2002-01-07 22:56 mike stump
2002-01-07 22:26 Tim McDaniel
2002-01-07 19:36 mike stump
2002-01-07 21:21 ` Theodore Tso
2002-01-08  0:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-08  1:02   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-07 19:18 mike stump
2002-01-07 19:17 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 18:38 mike stump
2002-01-07 13:29 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 13:24 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 21:49 ` jtv
2002-01-07 22:28   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-07 22:16     ` jtv
2002-01-08  0:27       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-08 11:41         ` jtv
2002-01-08 12:36           ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-08 12:58             ` jtv
2002-01-09 19:47         ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 20:44           ` jtv
2002-01-09 23:49           ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-10 10:13             ` Matthias Benkmann
2002-01-10  0:19           ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10  1:47             ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-10 15:30             ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10 10:44           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-06 19:32 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 18:37 mike stump
2002-01-06 18:20 mike stump
2002-01-06 16:22 dewar
2002-01-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 19:27   ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 19:43     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 13:43 dewar
2002-01-06 13:55 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 13:41 dewar
2002-01-06 16:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:16 dewar
2002-01-06 13:22 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:07 dewar
2002-01-06 13:05 dewar
2002-01-06 13:41 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06  7:56 mike stump
2002-01-06  4:26 dewar
2002-01-06  5:32 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 11:09   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-06  0:52 dewar
2002-01-04 22:43 dewar
2002-01-06  3:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04 12:15 dewar
2002-01-04 12:14 dewar
2002-01-03 13:28 dewar
2002-01-04  8:38 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 11:35   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 19:25     ` jkl
2002-01-05 19:37       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:06         ` jkl
2002-01-05 21:42           ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:01       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-05 20:17         ` jkl
2002-01-05 20:51           ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-06  4:09       ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 12:51 dewar
2002-01-03 10:35 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:05 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 11:59   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-03 23:53   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04  9:52     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-05  6:45     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06  0:20       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-09  9:28   ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-09 10:58     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-03  0:49 dewar
2002-01-03  0:12 dewar
2002-01-03  0:32 ` jtv
2002-01-06 19:37   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 23:53 dewar
2002-01-02 23:59 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-03  3:12 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:45   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 17:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-01-02 22:24 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-02 22:39   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 22:59     ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 18:44   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 10:02 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-02 23:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:27   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:03 Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02  6:54   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:39     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 15:50       ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 16:45         ` Paul Koning
2002-01-02 14:56   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-02 22:56   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:37     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03  2:51     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  6:29       ` law
2002-01-03 13:16         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-04  9:05     ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 22:14     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 10:29 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 10:41   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 13:11     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 15:54       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:28 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-02 11:40   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:59     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:48   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 19:09 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 20:13   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 20:42     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 21:36   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:05     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:23       ` jtv
2002-01-02 23:12         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:45           ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:01             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:07               ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:16                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:12                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:20                 ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:25               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03  0:35                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  2:10                   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  9:29                     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:46                   ` Edgar Toernig
2002-01-03 16:48                     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03 17:13                     ` jtv
2002-01-03 21:26                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-03  2:33               ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  8:32                 ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03 10:03                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-03 10:10                 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 22:41                   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-04  8:48                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 22:27       ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:35         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:44           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:50             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:40         ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  8:42           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-04  8:42   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:26   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:28   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 23:34     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:19       ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:29         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:03           ` jtv
2002-01-03  1:17             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 17:44               ` jtv

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