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From: Peter Barada <pbarada@mail.wm.sps.mot.com>
To: fjh@cs.mu.oz.au
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:30:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200201101530.g0AFUEA00462@hyper.wm.sps.mot.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020110124702.B30669@hg.cs.mu.oz.au> (message from Fergus Henderson on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:47:02 +1100)
In-Reply-To: <20020108012734.E23665@werewolf.able.es> <20020109204043.T1027-100000@gerard> <20020110004952.A11641@werewolf.able.es> <200201100019.g0A0JOM32110@hyper.wm.sps.mot.com> <20020110124702.B30669@hg.cs.mu.oz.au>


>No, you're wrong here.  That would violate the following provisions of
>the C99 standard, because the two accesses to `a' would not have occurred.
>(It would also violate similar provisions of the C89 and C++ standards.)
>The "as if" rule -- which is stated in 5.1.2.3 [#3] in C99 -- is explicitly
>defined to NOT allow optimizing away accesses to volatile objects.
>
> |        [#3] In the abstract machine, all expressions are  evaluated
> |        as  specified  by  the  semantics.  An actual implementation
> |        need not evaluate part of an expression  if  it  can  deduce
> |        that  its  value is not used and that no needed side effects
> |        are produced (including any caused by calling a function  or
> |        accessing a volatile object).

Ahh, I see now said the blind man...  When I read over this, I homed in
on "An actual emplementation need not evaluate part of the expression
if it can deduce that its value is not needed", and conveniently
skipped the rest of the sentence.

My Bad.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-01-10 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-07 13:24 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 21:49 ` jtv
2002-01-07 22:28   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-07 22:16     ` jtv
2002-01-08  0:27       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-08 11:41         ` jtv
2002-01-08 12:36           ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-08 12:58             ` jtv
2002-01-09 19:47         ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 20:44           ` jtv
2002-01-09 23:49           ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-10 10:13             ` Matthias Benkmann
2002-01-10  0:19           ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10  1:47             ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-10 15:30             ` Peter Barada [this message]
2002-01-10 10:44           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-10 19:01 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 12:18 dewar
2002-01-10 12:37 ` Erik Trulsson
2002-01-10 15:27   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-10  9:03 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 10:40 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-10  4:33 dewar
2002-01-10  2:16 dewar
2002-01-10  1:22 dewar
2002-01-10  1:21 dewar
2002-01-10  4:37 ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-09 21:54 dewar
2002-01-09 20:32 dewar
2002-01-09 21:43 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 20:08 dewar
2002-01-09 19:53 mike stump
2002-01-09 20:12 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 10:42 dewar
2002-01-09 10:41 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09 21:59 ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 10:40 dewar
2002-01-09  9:06 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09  9:25 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-09  2:18 dewar
2002-01-09  2:13 dewar
2002-01-09  1:51 mike stump
2002-01-09  1:19 dewar
2002-01-09  0:51 dewar
2002-01-08 11:12 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-11  9:52 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-08  9:44 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-08 11:44 ` 'jtv'
2002-01-08  0:16 mike stump
2002-01-08 11:33 ` jtv
2002-01-07 23:46 mike stump
2002-01-07 23:20 dewar
2002-01-07 23:15 dewar
2002-01-07 23:12 dewar
2002-01-07 23:11 dewar
2002-01-07 22:56 mike stump
2002-01-07 22:26 Tim McDaniel
2002-01-07 19:36 mike stump
2002-01-07 21:21 ` Theodore Tso
2002-01-08  0:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-08  1:02   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-07 19:18 mike stump
2002-01-07 19:17 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 18:38 mike stump
2002-01-07 13:29 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-06 19:32 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 18:37 mike stump
2002-01-06 18:24 mike stump
2002-01-06 20:37 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 21:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 22:19   ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-07  0:09     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-07  1:40       ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-06 18:20 mike stump
2002-01-06 16:22 dewar
2002-01-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 19:27   ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 19:43     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 13:43 dewar
2002-01-06 13:55 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 13:41 dewar
2002-01-06 16:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:16 dewar
2002-01-06 13:22 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:07 dewar
2002-01-06 13:05 dewar
2002-01-06 13:41 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06  7:56 mike stump
2002-01-06  4:26 dewar
2002-01-06  5:32 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 11:09   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-06  0:52 dewar
2002-01-04 22:43 dewar
2002-01-06  3:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04 12:15 dewar
2002-01-04 12:14 dewar
2002-01-03 13:28 dewar
2002-01-04  8:38 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 11:35   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 19:25     ` jkl
2002-01-05 19:37       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:06         ` jkl
2002-01-05 21:42           ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:01       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-05 20:17         ` jkl
2002-01-05 20:51           ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-06  4:09       ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 12:51 dewar
2002-01-03 10:35 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:05 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 11:59   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-03 23:53   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04  9:52     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-05  6:45     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06  0:20       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-09  9:28   ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-09 10:58     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-03  0:49 dewar
2002-01-03  0:12 dewar
2002-01-03  0:32 ` jtv
2002-01-06 19:37   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 23:53 dewar
2002-01-02 23:59 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-03  3:12 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:45   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 17:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-01-02 22:24 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-02 22:39   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 22:59     ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 18:44   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 10:02 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-02 23:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:27   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:03 Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02  6:54   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:39     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 15:50       ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 16:45         ` Paul Koning
2002-01-02 14:56   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-02 22:56   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:37     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03  2:51     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  6:29       ` law
2002-01-03 13:16         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-04  9:05     ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 22:14     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 10:29 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 10:41   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 13:11     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 15:54       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:28 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-02 11:40   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:59     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:48   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 19:09 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 20:13   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 20:42     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 21:36   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:05     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:23       ` jtv
2002-01-02 23:12         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:45           ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:01             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:07               ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:16                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:12                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:20                 ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:25               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03  0:35                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  2:10                   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  9:29                     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:46                   ` Edgar Toernig
2002-01-03 16:48                     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03 17:13                     ` jtv
2002-01-03 21:26                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-03  2:33               ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  8:32                 ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03 10:03                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-03 10:10                 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 22:41                   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-04  8:48                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 22:27       ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:35         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:44           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:50             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:40         ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  8:42           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-04  8:42   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:26   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:28   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 23:34     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:19       ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:29         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:03           ` jtv
2002-01-03  1:17             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 17:44               ` jtv

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