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From: Nikita Danilov <Nikita@Namesys.COM>
To: root@chaos.analogic.com
Cc: Robert White <rwhite@casabyte.com>,
	Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: recursive spinlocks. Shoot.
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:48:52 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16075.4932.688157.313542@laputa.namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305201709440.1074@chaos>

Richard B. Johnson writes:
 > On Tue, 20 May 2003, Robert White wrote:
 > 
 > >
 > >
 > > -----Original Message-----
 > > From: Richard B. Johnson [mailto:root@chaos.analogic.com]
 > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:23 AM
 > > To: Helge Hafting
 > >
 > > > Recursive locking is a misnomer. It does during run-time that which
 > > > should have been done during design-time. In fact, there cannot
 > > > be any recursion associated with locking. A locking mechanism that
 > > > allows reentry or recursion is defective, both in design, and
 > > > implementation.
 > >
 > > Amusing... but false...
 > >
 > > A lock serves, and is defined by, exactly _ONE_ trait.  A lock asserts and
 > > guarantees exclusive access to a domain (group of data or resources etc).
 > >
 > 
 > The "ONE" trait is incorrect.
 > 
 > The lock must guarantee that recursion is not allowed. Or to put
 > it more bluntly, the lock must result in a single thread of execution
 > through the locked object.
 > 

Suppose you have a set of objects X, each containing pointer to object
from set Y, each y in Y being protected by a lock. To update pointer in
x from y to y' one has to take lock on y, and global lock G in this
order. To read pointer, it is enough to take G. Several x's may point to
the same y.

How to lock all y's pointed to by elements of X?

If you have recursive locking one may just: 

1. take each x from X in turn
2.     lock G
3.     take y pointed to by x
4.     unlock G
5.     lock y
6.     lock G
7.     re-check that y is still pointed to by x, and if not unlock y and go to 3
8.     unlock G

Without recursive locking what would one do, but emulate it?

Nikita.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-05-21  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-18  9:21 Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 16:30 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 16:35   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 16:49     ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-18 16:54       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 17:14         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 17:24     ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 22:34       ` David Woodhouse
2003-05-19 13:37         ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 13:45           ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-19 13:47           ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1053352200.24653.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2003-05-19 23:54             ` Pete Zaitcev
2003-05-20  0:03               ` viro
2003-05-20  0:03               ` Johannes Erdfelt
2003-05-20  3:12         ` Robert White
2003-05-20 11:59           ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-20 12:23             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-20 21:05               ` Robert White
2003-05-20 21:42                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-20 23:06                   ` Robert White
2003-05-21 14:01                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-21 21:56                       ` Robert White
2003-05-22  0:13                         ` viro
2003-05-22  0:32                           ` Robert White
2003-05-22  0:46                         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-05-21  5:48                   ` Nikita Danilov [this message]
2003-05-22  1:00           ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-22  3:11             ` Robert White
2003-05-22  4:04               ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-22  4:42                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-22  5:09                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-23  0:19                 ` Robert White
2003-05-23  7:22                   ` Nikita Danilov
2003-05-23  9:07                     ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-23 12:18                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-24  2:39                       ` Robert White
2003-05-28 16:50                         ` Timothy Miller
2003-05-19  2:05       ` Kevin O'Connor
2003-05-19  6:19       ` Jan Hudec
2003-05-19 10:29       ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-19 11:37         ` Nikita Danilov
2003-05-22  1:21           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-05-19 14:28       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 18:13 ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found] <20030518182010$0541@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-18 19:09 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 19:31   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-18 19:49     ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 20:13       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 20:47   ` Jan Hudec
     [not found] <20030518202013$5297@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-18 23:15 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 23:26   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 12:48     ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 17:15       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 17:27         ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 17:57           ` Alan Cox
2003-05-19 19:51         ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 20:22   ` Robert White
     [not found] <20030520231013$3d77@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-21 14:16 ` Peter T. Breuer

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