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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <ptb@it.uc3m.es>
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: "Peter T. Breuer" <ptb@it.uc3m.es>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: recursive spinlocks. Shoot.
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:48:55 +0200 (MET DST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200305191248.h4JCmti06492@oboe.it.uc3m.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0305181623320.3568@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.com> from Davide Libenzi at "May 18, 2003 04:26:26 pm"

"A month of sundays ago Davide Libenzi wrote:"
> On Mon, 19 May 2003, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
> 
> > No. This is not true. Imagine two threads, timed as follows ...
> >
> >     .
> >     .
> >     .
> >     .
> > if ((snl)->uniq == current) {
> > atomic_inc(&(snl)->count); 		.
> > } else { 				.
> > spin_lock(&(snl)->lock);		.
> > atomic_inc(&(snl)->count);		.
> > (snl)->uniq = current; 	  <->	if ((snl)->uniq == current) {
> > 				atomic_inc(&(snl)->count);
> > 				} else {
> > 				spin_lock(&(snl)->lock);
> > 				atomic_inc(&(snl)->count);
> > 				(snl)->uniq = current;
> >
> >
> > There you are. One hits the read exactly at the time the other does a
> > write. Bang.
> 
> So, what's bang for you ? The second task (the one that reads "uniq")
> will either see "uniq" as NULL or as (task1)->current. And it'll go
> acquiring the lock, as expected. Check it again ...

Perhaps I should expand on my earlier answer ...

(1) while, with some luck, writing may be atomic on ia32 (and I'm not
sure it is, I'm only prepared to guarantee it for the lower bits, and I
really don't know about zeroing the carry and so on), I actually doubt
that reading is atomic, or we wouldn't need the atomic_read
construction!

(2) I'm not prepared to bet that one either sees the answer from
before the write was done, or the answer after it is done.  I would
suspect that one can get anything, including an explosion or reading
of the works of tolstoy ...

(3) even if one gets either one or the other answer, one of them would
be the wrong answer, and you clearly intend the atomic_inc of the
counter to be done in the same atomic region as the setting to current,
which would be a programming hypothesis that is broken when the wrong
answer comes up.



Peter

  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-19 12:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20030518202013$5297@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-18 23:15 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 23:26   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 12:48     ` Peter T. Breuer [this message]
2003-05-19 17:15       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 17:27         ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 17:57           ` Alan Cox
2003-05-19 19:51         ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 20:22   ` Robert White
     [not found] <20030520231013$3d77@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-21 14:16 ` Peter T. Breuer
     [not found] <20030518182010$0541@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-18 19:09 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 19:31   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-18 19:49     ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 20:13       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 20:47   ` Jan Hudec
2003-05-18  9:21 Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 16:30 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 16:35   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 16:49     ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-18 16:54       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 17:14         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 17:24     ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 22:34       ` David Woodhouse
2003-05-19 13:37         ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 13:45           ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-19 13:47           ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1053352200.24653.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2003-05-19 23:54             ` Pete Zaitcev
2003-05-20  0:03               ` viro
2003-05-20  0:03               ` Johannes Erdfelt
2003-05-20  3:12         ` Robert White
2003-05-20 11:59           ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-20 12:23             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-20 21:05               ` Robert White
2003-05-20 21:42                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-20 23:06                   ` Robert White
2003-05-21 14:01                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-21 21:56                       ` Robert White
2003-05-22  0:13                         ` viro
2003-05-22  0:32                           ` Robert White
2003-05-22  0:46                         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-05-21  5:48                   ` Nikita Danilov
2003-05-22  1:00           ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-22  3:11             ` Robert White
2003-05-22  4:04               ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-22  4:42                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-22  5:09                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-23  0:19                 ` Robert White
2003-05-23  7:22                   ` Nikita Danilov
2003-05-23  9:07                     ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-23 12:18                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-24  2:39                       ` Robert White
2003-05-28 16:50                         ` Timothy Miller
2003-05-19  2:05       ` Kevin O'Connor
2003-05-19  6:19       ` Jan Hudec
2003-05-19 10:29       ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-19 11:37         ` Nikita Danilov
2003-05-22  1:21           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-05-19 14:28       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 18:13 ` Davide Libenzi

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