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From: Peter Samuelson <peter@cadcamlab.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: test10-pre7
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:59:59 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001031055959.A1041@wire.cadcamlab.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <11462.972947019@ocs3.ocs-net> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010301508360.1085-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010301508360.1085-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:15:57PM -0800


[Linus]
> In short, we should _remove_ all traces of stuff like
> 
> 	O_OBJS = $(filter-out $(export-objs), $(obj-y))
> 
> It's wrong.
> 
> We should just have
> 
> 	O_OBJS = $(obj-y)
> 
> which is always right.

This part I agree with..

> And it should make all this FIRST/LAST object file mockery a total
> non-issue, because the whole concept turns out to be completely
> unnecessary.
> 
> Is there anything that makes this more complex than what I've
> outlined above?

One thing.  The main benefit of $(sort), which I haven't heard you
address yet, is to remove duplicate files.  Think about 8390.o, and how
many net drivers require it.  There are two ways to handle this:

  obj-$(CONFIG_WD80x3) += wd.o 8390.o
  obj-$(CONFIG_EL2) += 3c503.o 8390.o
  obj-$(CONFIG_NE2000) += ne.o 8390.o
  obj-$(CONFIG_NE2_MCA) += ne2.o 8390.o
  obj-$(CONFIG_HPLAN) += hp.o 8390.o

and then remove duplicates from $(obj-y) using $(sort)...

...Or do horrible games with 'if' statements and temporary variables
with names like $(NEED_8390) to ensure that it gets included once if
needed and not if not -- thereby pretty much defeating the readability
of the new-style makefiles.

Oh.  There's a third way: ignore the issue and hope users don't feel
the need for both ne.o and wd.o linked into the same kernel.  I do hope
you aren't advocating *that* solution, which unfortunately appears to
be the status quo in drivers/net/Makefile.  I guess solution #2 was
seen as too much trouble there.

The horrible games with 'if' statements have been played in any number
of kernel makefiles and I'd really like to see them go away.

That is the real reason I like LINK_FIRST.

Peter
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-10-31 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-30 19:32 test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 20:34 ` [PATCH] test10-pre7 Alexander Viro
2000-10-30 21:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 21:23     ` Alexander Viro
2000-10-30 22:01       ` Alexander Viro
2000-10-30 23:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 23:14           ` Alexander Viro
2000-10-30 23:17             ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 22:21       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 22:06   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 10:05   ` John Kennedy
2000-10-30 21:37 ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-30 22:01   ` test10-pre7 Jeff Garzik
2000-10-30 22:06     ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-30 22:13       ` test10-pre7 Jeff Garzik
2000-10-30 22:24     ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 22:41       ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-30 22:51         ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 23:02           ` test10-pre7 Jeff Garzik
2000-10-30 23:04             ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-30 23:08             ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 23:03           ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-30 23:15             ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 23:32               ` test10-pre7 Christoph Hellwig
2000-10-30 23:40                 ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 23:45                   ` test10-pre7 Christoph Hellwig
2000-10-30 23:51                     ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 23:57                       ` test10-pre7 Christoph Hellwig
2000-10-31  0:47                         ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-31  1:01                           ` test10-pre7 Christoph Hellwig
2000-10-31  2:54                             ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-31  1:49                           ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-31  2:07                             ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-31  2:58                             ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-31 13:55                               ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-10-31 17:29                                 ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-31 17:38                                   ` test10-pre7 H. Peter Anvin
2000-10-31 19:51                                     ` test10-pre7 Horst von Brand
2000-11-01  2:32                                   ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-10-31  4:57                             ` test10-pre7 Rusty Russell
2000-10-31  6:10                               ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30 23:38               ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-30 23:47                 ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-31  0:03                   ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-31  9:37                 ` test10-pre7 Russell King
2000-10-31 14:02                   ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-10-31 14:16                     ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-10-31 17:31                     ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-31 19:28                       ` test10-pre7 Russell King
2000-10-31 20:59                         ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-11-01  0:16                           ` test10-pre7 (LINK ordering) Randy Dunlap
2000-11-01  0:52                             ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-01  3:06                         ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-11-01  2:35                       ` test10-pre7 Keith Owens
2000-11-01 12:46                         ` test10-pre7 Alan Cox
2000-10-31 11:59               ` Peter Samuelson [this message]
2000-10-31 21:01                 ` test10-pre7 John Alvord
2000-11-01  3:30                   ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-10-31  8:18       ` test10-pre7 Rogier Wolff
2000-10-31  0:52 test10-pre7 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2000-10-31  1:05 ` test10-pre7 Christoph Hellwig
2000-10-31 16:15 test10-pre7 Vladislav Malyshkin
2000-10-31 16:45 ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-10-31 18:07   ` test10-pre7 Vladislav Malyshkin
2000-10-31 18:38     ` test10-pre7 Linus Torvalds
2000-10-31 19:16       ` test10-pre7 H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-01  3:15         ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-11-01  6:11           ` test10-pre7 H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-01  6:31             ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-11-01  7:42     ` test10-pre7 Peter Samuelson
2000-11-03 16:26       ` test10-pre7 Vladislav Malyshkin

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