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From: "Jeremy M. Dolan" <jmd@foozle.turbogeek.org>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:06:53 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010125230653.A1850@foozle.turbogeek.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101250041440.1498-100000@srv2.ecropolis.com> <94qcvm$9qp$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <14960.54069.369317.517425@pizda.ninka.net> <3A70D524.11362EFB@transmeta.com> <14960.54852.630103.360704@pizda.ninka.net> <3A70D7B2.F8C5F67C@transmeta.com> <14960.56461.296642.488513@pizda.ninka.net>
In-Reply-To: <14960.56461.296642.488513@pizda.ninka.net>; from davem@redhat.com on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 06:10:21PM -0800

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:10:21 +0000, David S. Miller wrote:
> It says "reserved for future use, must be zero".

While I've not checked the context yet, this seems to be terrible
wording. The context doesn't direct this towards hosts constructing
packets? What is the 'It' you refer to, the TCP RFC? Do any of the
following override this awful wording job?

RFC1122 / STD0003    Requirements for Internet hosts (comm. layers)
RFC1123 / STD0003    Requirements for Internet hosts (apps)
RFC1009 / STD0004    Requirements for Internet gateways 
RFC1812              Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers 
RFC2979              Behavior of and Requirements for Internet Firewalls 

The last one seems it would have the most potential to clear up this
mess, unfortunatly it's only an informational RFC, and at a quick
glance, doesn't look like it addresses this issue. Regardless, the
intent of the author was clear... it'd just be nice to be able to
quote chapter and verse.

Besides, I'm MUCH more worried about all of .uk being behind an ECN
eating router then not being about to talk to some Microsoft webmail
service.

I fear this problem is doomed to repeat itself as well, as more of
IP's features become unreserved (Class E IP Address, anyone?)

/jmd

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-26  5:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-25  5:43 Jeremy Hansen
2001-01-25  7:37 ` Juri Haberland
2001-01-25  9:06 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-25 23:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  1:12 ` Lincoln Dale
2001-01-26  1:30 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:38   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  1:43   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-27 10:00       ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-31 10:46       ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26  2:10     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  2:15       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  8:54         ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26 18:04           ` Rick Jones
2001-01-27  7:11             ` Rusty Russell
2001-01-31 10:56             ` Alan Cox
2001-01-27  4:10           ` David Wagner
2001-01-27  4:59             ` Brian May
2001-01-27 18:18             ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:20               ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 19:22                 ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:58                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27 20:14                   ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 22:18                     ` David Schwartz
2001-01-27 23:09                       ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28  0:11                         ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28  1:10                           ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28  4:35                             ` [OT] " Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 12:57                               ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28 15:45                                 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-28 19:30                                 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 22:16                                   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28  8:48                           ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28  0:06                       ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28  3:27                         ` David Schwartz
2001-01-28  0:58               ` David Lang
2001-01-26  2:24       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-01-26  3:03       ` Brian May
2001-01-26  5:06       ` Jeremy M. Dolan [this message]
2001-01-26 14:04         ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-26 10:37   ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 11:32   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 11:40     ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 11:44       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 13:44         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 14:44           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:03             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:16               ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 15:27                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 22:26                   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 22:30                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 15:35                 ` Marian Jancar
2001-01-26 16:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-28  1:59               ` Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 16:51                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:14             ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 15:24               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 17:05               ` ECN Simon Kirby
2001-01-26 18:12                 ` ECN Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-26 23:47           ` ECN -? Anything _I_ need to do to allow it? List User
2001-01-27  9:58             ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-27  0:15       ` hotmail not dealing with ECN Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26 11:50     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 13:52       ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 14:11         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 18:19           ` Olaf Titz
2001-01-26 13:54       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:12         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:08         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:13           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:29             ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:55               ` Chris Ricker
2001-01-26 18:37                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-26 19:17                   ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 19:55               ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 15:34             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 17:37         ` Drago Goricanec
2001-01-26 14:10       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 14:39       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:46         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 14:50         ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:57           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27  0:18       ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-25 17:26 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-26  7:53 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-26 16:04 Randal, Phil
2001-01-26 16:37 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 17:18   ` Tony Hoyle
2001-01-26 18:42     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-31 16:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26 17:28 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-01-26 21:21 ` David Ford
2001-01-29  9:42 ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26 17:14 James Sutherland
2001-01-26 23:25 ` Daniel Chemko
2001-01-26 19:43   ` Chris Meadors
2001-01-29 14:57     ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26 17:53 Adam J. Richter
2001-01-26 17:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 18:15 ` Alan Shutko
2001-01-26 18:32 ` Graham Murray
     [not found] <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-01-26 21:52 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-01-26 21:59   ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-27  9:48     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-27 18:55 Bernd Eckenfels

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