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From: Florian Weimer <Florian.Weimer@RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE>
To: "Jeremy M. Dolan" <jmd@foozle.turbogeek.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN
Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:04:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <tgsnm64dfv.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101250041440.1498-100000@srv2.ecropolis.com> <94qcvm$9qp$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <14960.54069.369317.517425@pizda.ninka.net> <3A70D524.11362EFB@transmeta.com> <14960.54852.630103.360704@pizda.ninka.net> <3A70D7B2.F8C5F67C@transmeta.com> <14960.56461.296642.488513@pizda.ninka.net> <20010125230653.A1850@foozle.turbogeek.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010125230653.A1850@foozle.turbogeek.org>

"Jeremy M. Dolan" <jmd@foozle.turbogeek.org> writes:

> RFC1812              Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers 

RFC 1812 mandates routing of IP packets with reserved flags, but not
for TCP packets.

> RFC2979              Behavior of and Requirements for Internet Firewalls 
> 
> The last one seems it would have the most potential to clear up this
> mess, unfortunatly it's only an informational RFC, and at a quick
> glance, doesn't look like it addresses this issue. 

In fact, it does, but not in the way you want: ;-)

|   When a firewall acts a protocol end point it may
|
|    (1)   implement a "safe" subset of the protocol,
|
|    (2)   perform extensive protocol validity checks,

|   Good security may occasionally result in interoperability failures
|   between components.  This is understood.  However, this doesn't mean
|   that gratuitous interoperability failures caused by security
|   components are acceptable.

It is completely acceptable to deploy a firewall which drops packets
in which reserved flags are not zero.  Obviously, the implementer
doesn't know the effect of this flag (because they aren't defined
yet), so he's facing the choice whether to create a system which is
safe or a system which maximizes interoperability at the cost of
potential risks.  IMHO, the first choice is much more appropriate than
the second one.

-- 
Florian Weimer 	                  Florian.Weimer@RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-26 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-25  5:43 Jeremy Hansen
2001-01-25  7:37 ` Juri Haberland
2001-01-25  9:06 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-25 23:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  1:12 ` Lincoln Dale
2001-01-26  1:30 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:38   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  1:43   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-27 10:00       ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-31 10:46       ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26  2:10     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  2:15       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  8:54         ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26 18:04           ` Rick Jones
2001-01-27  7:11             ` Rusty Russell
2001-01-31 10:56             ` Alan Cox
2001-01-27  4:10           ` David Wagner
2001-01-27  4:59             ` Brian May
2001-01-27 18:18             ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:20               ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 19:22                 ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:58                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27 20:14                   ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 22:18                     ` David Schwartz
2001-01-27 23:09                       ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28  0:11                         ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28  1:10                           ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28  4:35                             ` [OT] " Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 12:57                               ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28 15:45                                 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-28 19:30                                 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 22:16                                   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28  8:48                           ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28  0:06                       ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28  3:27                         ` David Schwartz
2001-01-28  0:58               ` David Lang
2001-01-26  2:24       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-01-26  3:03       ` Brian May
2001-01-26  5:06       ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 14:04         ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2001-01-26 10:37   ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 11:32   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 11:40     ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 11:44       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 13:44         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 14:44           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:03             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:16               ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 15:27                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 22:26                   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 22:30                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 15:35                 ` Marian Jancar
2001-01-26 16:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-28  1:59               ` Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 16:51                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:14             ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 15:24               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 17:05               ` ECN Simon Kirby
2001-01-26 18:12                 ` ECN Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-26 23:47           ` ECN -? Anything _I_ need to do to allow it? List User
2001-01-27  9:58             ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-27  0:15       ` hotmail not dealing with ECN Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26 11:50     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 13:52       ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 14:11         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 18:19           ` Olaf Titz
2001-01-26 13:54       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:12         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:08         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:13           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:29             ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:55               ` Chris Ricker
2001-01-26 18:37                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-26 19:17                   ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 19:55               ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 15:34             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 17:37         ` Drago Goricanec
2001-01-26 14:10       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 14:39       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:46         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 14:50         ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:57           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27  0:18       ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-25 17:26 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-26  7:53 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-26 16:04 Randal, Phil
2001-01-26 16:37 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 17:18   ` Tony Hoyle
2001-01-26 18:42     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-31 16:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26 17:28 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-01-26 21:21 ` David Ford
2001-01-29  9:42 ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26 17:14 James Sutherland
2001-01-26 23:25 ` Daniel Chemko
2001-01-26 19:43   ` Chris Meadors
2001-01-29 14:57     ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26 17:53 Adam J. Richter
2001-01-26 17:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 18:15 ` Alan Shutko
2001-01-26 18:32 ` Graham Murray
     [not found] <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-01-26 21:52 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-01-26 21:59   ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-27  9:48     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-27 18:55 Bernd Eckenfels

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