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From: "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw@wittsend.com>
To: sl@fireplug.net
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:59:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010126165913.D1432@alcove.wittsend.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net> <94sriq$4b7$1@whiskey.enposte.net>
In-Reply-To: <94sriq$4b7$1@whiskey.enposte.net>; from sl@whiskey.fireplug.net on Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:52:26PM -0800

On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:52:26PM -0800, Stuart Lynne wrote:
> In article <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net>,
> James Sutherland <jas88@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:

> >Except you can't retry without ECN, because DaveM wants to do a Microsoft
> >and force ECN on everyone, whether they like it or not. If ECN is so

> No, he just wants them to ignore it like they are supposed to do if
> they don't know what it is.

> >wonderful, why doesn't anybody actually WANT to use it anyway?

> Because they are stupid and don't want to take the time and energy
> to upgrade their systems. 

> Most ISP's have the generic rule, if it ain't broke, don't fuck with it.
> Even the mighty microsoft learned just two days ago what happens if you
> make mistakes changing routing information.

	No...  Microsoft learned, just two days ago, something that has
been part of best practices for over 15 years.  Do NOT put all of your
DNS servers on the same network!  The technical error may have triggered
the meltdown but if they had distributed their DNS the way they were
suppose to, it would have NOT taken them totally out.  It wasn't the
technician's mistake.  It was the single point of failure (and subsequently
the single point of attack).  He just triggered it.

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	Mike
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-26 22:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-01-26 21:52 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-01-26 21:59   ` Michael H. Warfield [this message]
2001-01-27  9:48     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-27 18:55 Bernd Eckenfels
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-26 17:53 Adam J. Richter
2001-01-26 17:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 18:15 ` Alan Shutko
2001-01-26 18:32 ` Graham Murray
2001-01-26 17:14 James Sutherland
2001-01-26 23:25 ` Daniel Chemko
2001-01-26 19:43   ` Chris Meadors
2001-01-29 14:57     ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26 16:04 Randal, Phil
2001-01-26 16:37 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 17:18   ` Tony Hoyle
2001-01-26 18:42     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-31 16:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26 17:28 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-01-26 21:21 ` David Ford
2001-01-29  9:42 ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26  7:53 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-25 17:26 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-25  5:43 Jeremy Hansen
2001-01-25  7:37 ` Juri Haberland
2001-01-25  9:06 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-25 23:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  1:12 ` Lincoln Dale
2001-01-26  1:30 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:38   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  1:43   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-27 10:00       ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-31 10:46       ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26  2:10     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  2:15       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  8:54         ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26 18:04           ` Rick Jones
2001-01-27  7:11             ` Rusty Russell
2001-01-31 10:56             ` Alan Cox
2001-01-27  4:10           ` David Wagner
2001-01-27  4:59             ` Brian May
2001-01-27 18:18             ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:20               ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 19:22                 ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:58                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27 20:14                   ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 22:18                     ` David Schwartz
2001-01-27 23:09                       ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28  0:11                         ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28  1:10                           ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28  8:48                           ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28  0:06                       ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28  3:27                         ` David Schwartz
2001-01-28  0:58               ` David Lang
2001-01-26  2:24       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-01-26  3:03       ` Brian May
2001-01-26  5:06       ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 14:04         ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-26 10:37   ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 11:32   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 11:40     ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 11:44       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 13:44         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 14:44           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:03             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:16               ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 15:27                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 22:26                   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 22:30                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 15:35                 ` Marian Jancar
2001-01-26 16:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-28  1:59               ` Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 16:51                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:14             ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 15:24               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27  0:15       ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26 11:50     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 13:52       ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 14:11         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 18:19           ` Olaf Titz
2001-01-26 13:54       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:12         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:08         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:13           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:29             ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:55               ` Chris Ricker
2001-01-26 18:37                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-26 19:17                   ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 19:55               ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 15:34             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 17:37         ` Drago Goricanec
2001-01-26 14:10       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 14:39       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:46         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 14:50         ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:57           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27  0:18       ` Thunder from the hill

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